• UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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    7 hours ago

    Three successful years of holding their own

    Is that what the Russian/Ukraine front looks like to you? Seems like they’ve been feeding their young men into a meat grinder so they can lose hundreds of miles of territory on a basket of false promises from DC. They aren’t holding their own, they’re being slaughtered at the speed of Russian artillery.

    Tom Massie: Washington purposely blacking out Ukraine casualty data

    REP. THOMAS MASSIE: Well, in a classified briefing, I stood up and asked what the casualties were on the Ukrainian side, and in that meeting I believe, you had representatives from the intelligence community, and they were briefing us, and they went out of their way to tell us how many Russian casualties there were, and they would not answer my question of how many Ukrainian casualties there were.

    And this was a briefing to Congress in a classified setting. They really didn’t have an excuse, other than they weren’t really sure, which seems like an incredible lie. So then a few months later, I’m in the Speaker’s office, and I asked the Speaker if he knew the number of casualties in Ukraine? He began telling me how many Russian casualties there were. I said, Do you know how many Ukrainian casualties there are? And he said, No. I said, Have they ever told you? And he said, No. I said, Have you ever asked? He said, I should ask. So the Speaker of the House doesn’t even know. Didn’t even know at the time how many casualties there were. And if you ask, for instance, an AI assistant, how many Ukrainian casualties there are, even the AI assistants here in our country can’t tell you how many. At the time when I drafted this, AIs came up with wildly different numbers because they’re relying on everything that’s been published. And there’s virtually nothing reliable that’s been published.

    MASSIE: We’re just being fed propaganda in these classified briefings. And if other members of Congress couldn’t see that when I asked the question, then shame on them. Part of the reason I asked that question in that setting, was to show the other members of Congress that they’re just giving us one side to try and motivate us to keep sending the money and weapons. I think it’s obvious that they’re just feeding us propaganda in classified settings, and then I think it’s also true that the Speaker himself has been a subject of propaganda and lacks the curiosity to even question the narrative that we’re being fed.

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      3 hours ago

      They still have national sovereignty, a society, a culture, and representation in government. Damn right they are succeeding!

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        2 hours ago

        They don’t. They’re overdue for elections. Their borders are blown. Their population is a diaspora when it isn’t being press ganged onto the front lines. Their territory is being auctioned off to the lowest bidder.

        Zelenskyy’s refused to stand for reelection in no small part because he knows how wildly unpopular he has become.

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          1 hour ago

          You’re picking out negative things (and frankly making up others) but overlooking the most obvious and important positive. There’s no russian lapdog running the government of Ukraine and the people are still Ukrainian. The people of Ukraine kicked out the last Putin lap dog and they have no desire for another and their actions to-date are still in effect. If the people of Ukraine wanted to be russian, they could be in a a fraction of a second.

          They continue to choose NOT to be and have done so for more than 3 years now. That is proof positive of continued success.