It’s especially important to do so since turning political orgs into dating sites is the best way to fuck everything up. I would advise to actually never hit on people within an org especially if you’re male because sexism is already a big enough problem you don’t want to participate in making activism even more unbearable for women.
Definitely. I’m reminded of when Hakim (I think) was talking about Fidel Castro’s body count, and he stopped himself to be like “to be clear, you shouldn’t use communism as a dating strategy or try to hook up with a bunch of people in an org.”
I only date Posadists. They really dig my sex bunker covered in Soviet propaganda posters.
Homie that bunker sounds tight AF.
It also has an overhead paging system set to play Bella Ciao on repeat, to set the mood.
That sounds more like what a Hoxhist would be in to. A posadist would like dates to the beach, aquarium, or spooky field.
That sounds revisionist!!
Yes because I think I can radicalize any baby communist I’m dating.
“I can
fixradicalize them.”Not going to lie, that phrasing is a little yikes. A relationship shouldn’t be a radicalization project.
Honestly, I’m about out of faith enough in westerners that I genuinely think that might be the only way any of them come to the light, is if those of y’all who can still tolerate linking up with them long-term like that actually tried pulling them over. I absolutely expect them to die fash-adjacent at the very least otherwise, 'cause they’ll never come to the water themselves.
My partner was already a communist so I didn’t have to do much besides giving them Blackshirts and Reds lmao so it’s not that they’re my pet project that I’m singlehandedly “fixing/radicalizing” them so much as nudging them in the right direction.
Yeah, I’m sure it was normal and natural IRL
I disagree, every relationship is a radicalization project./hj Don’t be mean or obsessive, but we need as many comrades as we can get.
Maybe, but the way to do it isn’t through takes like this IMHO. I can only imagine liberals seeing comrades trying to do that the same as a far-right chud trying to evangelize about QAnon
yea because otherwise i would be alone
This is the only answer in the thread that’s based in actual reality.
Better alone than having to compromise who I am and could develop into if not for settlers trying to keep me mired in unearned exceptionalism, I figure.
Maybe realistic, but I’d argue that this thinking might lead to an unhappy relationship. If the only reason for dating someone is loneliness with disregard to how good they compliment you or generally their personality, then I would advocate for overthinking ones relationship.
When i first started dating my wife, she wasn’t really into politics. It turns out it was because her entire family has been involved with communists since the 1900s and my politics is normal in her family.
What a twist!? Was she a staunchly communist too?!
She is, but she very much is not a particularly focused one. Her education is in animals and environmental sciences, not political theory. It was very funny, though, because i remember having a conversation with her where i remember complaining about something (not exactly sure what, this was years ago), and she mentioned i sounded like her grandparents. I didn’t know what she meant, and then she showed some pictures from her family album. There must’ve been a hammer and sickle every three pictures.
Holy shit. That’s actually a good twist
Yes, but i only tolerate people that care about things around us. Solidarity is the main thing i look for in a partner.
Yes. My gf is not ML. Not outspoken at least, but she’s a member of our party and attends actions. She’s left wing but doesn’t have to be outspoken communist imo.
Wait, she is not ML, but is a communist party member?
Yup. But I think it’s because she sees what we do and agrees with it. She comes to our actions, helps me with setting up things and eventually decided to become a member because ‘she was already doing things anyway’. But you will not yet hear her say she’s a communist lol. It has too much of a stigma for her, but with the recent Palestina conflict I feel like she is radicalizing more and more.
One can be communist sympathetic, organized, and/or a different tendency without being ML.
This has been asked many times, and thought the search function does not seem to be working for me, you could probably find those posts.
My position is Id date pretty much anyone, because there aren’t many MLs around (and I’m lonely), and one’s views will inevitably rub off on their partner. Since ML is a very strong and anti-dogmatic worldview, coming into contact with other views will only only strengthen it, while it has a good chance of “converting” others especially people close to you.
Hmm, are you sure is that potent though? There are children of Marxists that end up Soc Dems and even conservatives.
Many dick head children of famous Marxists, unfortunately. A lot of that probably comes from growing up privileged and going to the private school that your Marxist mum or dad’s parents could never have sent your parents to.
Children is another matter, they often want to rebel or be different from their parents. With a romantic partner, however, if you talk about politics enough with good arguments, try to get them to read books and stuff, they will probably become closer to you politically and maybe organize with you with or without adopting the specific tendancy.
My partner is pretty much “apolitical”.
Still, from time to time I hear strong anti capitalist rhetoric. And sometimes I get the odd “what is working class” like questions.
They won’t seed revolution, but they won’t repeat imperialistic rhetoric blindly. Which is good enough for the world we live in.
Honestly I don’t even have the means to meet people, let alone dating. I recently moved to a new state I’m unfamiliar with, with nothing around me that interests me enough to go out. Everything I wanna do I can just do at home, so I’m just kinda wallowing in loneliness
I’m also autistic so that comes with another entire set of problems 😕
I am sorry about your situation comrade, and wish that things get better for you 😊.
What made you move out of state?
Thanks, I appreciate it 🙏🏿
Had to escape an abusive situation and homelessness. It’s not even like the area I was living in was bad, just frustrating mainly cause of the paradox of being too expensive to live but too expensive to leave.
Motivational, it helps if you orient your thinking not towards the activity itself but how the activity can facilitate meeting people. ime, at least
Oh yeah for sure, I just don’t have anything I actually like doing that facilitates that. I mostly smoke weed, play games, and make music, all of which I can do that at home.
I’m not really a multiplayer kinda person and don’t often play with others, (which is funny cause if someone asked me to play with them in something I would, even if I wasn’t really into it) so even amongst things I like I just tend to keep to myself.
I’m probably not really helping my own case but social media is toxic and I’ve been through a lot of trauma basically making it really difficult to interact with others, even when I really want to. I even have trouble interacting with comrades here, most times I just kinda lurk.
make music,
This is the one that seems like the best option in general. Can you find other musicians in your area?
I wouldn’t really know where to start, lol. I’m a music producer so everything I do is on my computer.
My friend, do you think there aren’t a ton of musicians out there who would kill to get a good producer? Guitarists who struggle to write drum parts? Skilled players who struggle to write anything decent? It totally depends on who happens to be around, but there’s a world of possibility out there for someone who loves production and is decent enough at it!
Yeah, it would be better if you could jam, but it’s not needed. Besides, if you use a midi controller, it’s a small step to keyboard, and getting better st playing will help your writing (and make it more fun, imo).
I can’t guarantee it’ll work out, but I also can’t stress enough that, based on what you have said, you’ve got a good shot.
I don’t date anyone ML or otherwise because I’m too tired and miserable
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Marxist-Leninist politics is like 40% of who I am. I started studying it when I was a preteen, and it’s influenced my personality greatly ever since.
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You will not see my eyes light up about anything quite like when I’m divulging some arcane secret regarding Trotskyists’ probable collaboration with Japanese Imperialists and Rudolf Hess in attempting to dissolve the Soviet Union, or such a smile on my face while explaining that at one point, the CPC was almost 9/10 ethnically Korean.
This leaves me in a weird position. I have other interests, other hobbies. But I like reading, I like learning about this stuff. I devote a lot of time to it, and I love to talk about it. Few and far between do I encounter another Amerikan as interested merely in politics as I am, let alone one who’s not a CIA-agent-in-training, genuine fascist, or confrontational, perpetually-offended liberal with whom constructive discussion is impossible.
I have dated open-minded people before, and they have all taken a fleeting interest in what I know or have read about. But it tires them. They typically didn’t like seeing me “obsess” over breaking international news. They’d ask to talk about something else, anything else, please.
I also am so, so very tired of hearing “I just don’t think I know enough to talk to you about this”. I don’t enjoy feeling like I’m in some sort of position of intellectual power over my partner, and I always tried to approach these conversations as conversations and not, say, lectures, but when the conversation is over before it even starts…
I don’t want to feel the need to radicalize my partner, I think. That all being said, if I wind up falling in love with someone who is not already a communist, then so be it. They will likely be ready and willing to talk with me about it, though. It’s a big part of who I am.
I also am so, so very tired of hearing “I just don’t think I know enough to talk to you about this”. I don’t enjoy feeling like I’m in some sort of position of intellectual power over my partner, and I always tried to approach these conversations as conversations and not, say, lectures, but when the conversation is over before it even starts…
This is a strange one, isn’t it? Imagine starting to talk about your Lego collection or new furniture or your job or anything else and the other person says this. It probably happens. But with important topics? So fucking annoying. Okay you don’t know, so listen, I’ll tell you, and you can tell me what you think and you might even realise that you do know something and what you don’t know, I can put you on track to learning more. The same way that any other fucking conversation goes.
at one point, the CPC was almost 9/10 ethnically Korean. I never heard that before, when was that?
Jilin Province is located in Northeast China, in Manchuria, and shares a border with north Korea. Jilin is important in the history of the Korean struggle for several reasons. It’s the place where Kim Il-sung joined the resistance movement, and also where, as a teenager, he founded the Down-With-Imperialism Union, which contemporary literature in north Korea considers as the original foundations of the Workers’ Party of Korea (WPK). A large number of Koreans had fled to Jilin to escape the brutal Japanese colonial occupation of Korea, and Jilin was home to the largest base of Korean resistance.
In the struggle against Japanese imperialism, Korean and Chinese communists (and at various points, nationalists) were part of a united front. In fact, at the urging of the Third International (Comintern), which at the time was organizing the world communist movement, Korean communists joined the Chinese Communist Party. It’s estimated that, when the merging process was consolidated in 1931, as much as 90 percent of the Chinese Communist Party was actually Korean, as their efforts at recruitment among the peasants in the region had been much more successful.
– Foreword to Socialist Education in Korea by Kim Il-Sung, written by Derek R. Ford and Curry Malott, emphasis mine.
I managed to “convert” my psuedo-girlfriend into becoming a communist or a communist sympathizer, years ago. Hopefully that helps inspire you.
I tell her all the time my opinions about current events, and she likes to listen to me “lecture” about history, politics and about the struggle between communism and capitalism. She mostly agrees with my opinions, or at least understands my point of view.
She’s also very supportive or at least willing to consider the long-term plans of us moving to China, together with my family. She loves my idea of us having a house in Shanghai and/or possibly Chengdu, her primary concerns are the flooding and earthquakes.
I’m hoping next year to start seriously learning and hunkering down and taking classes or courses in learning Mandarin or consulting immigration lawyers. My family and I are poor AF but I’m very hopeful.
Anyway, my girl hasn’t mentioned the Israeli genocide of Palestinians, but she is well aware of my opinions. I think our only point of contention was when the Ukraine/Russia SMO began, but I eventually got her to at least somewhat understand the neoliberal lies and slander aimed at Russia and how Ukraine/NATO/the U.S. started this conflict.
Nope, and if that means I spend the rest of my life just having meaningless short-term physical flings, so be it. Amerikan liberalism, and the settlers who practice it, fuckin disgust me too much to ‘relation’ with for long.
This is the way 🤷🏿♂️
So they are not disgusting enough to take away your desire to be physical with them, but disgusting enough to not want to be in a relationship with them. That is funny to me 🤣
I mean, I am human (much as that alone annoys me). A lot of it is I think I don’t ever want to be around someone full time who advocates for the genocides they see on their television again (especially not a settler who does), and that’s been happening to me a lot lately. Besides, it’s entirely unrealistic with what my bank account looks like for me to leave the country and actually find someone I could without reservation, without condition love like that. In Amerika, terms and conditions apply heavily.
So we make do with the lesser clay that we have to work with, even if it’ll never form a proper ceramic.
I’ve got a new partner who’s not all that into politics, but she is definitely interested in learning more and knows something is wrong. That’s all I really look for.
Of course I would never ever date a Zionist, Nazi, American Conservative (why am I saying the same thing three times) or staunch capitalist, but that’s different than someone simply not being educated. If I like the person, I will engage with them romantically and then try to radicalize/share my passions with them. If they support it and join or at the very least aren’t against it and simply enable me to get involved, I’m fine with it.
Of course I’d prefer a baddie tankie gf but my partner will be developed into one, rn she just a baddie gf. Lmao sorry idk wtf that was but there’s me answer
Some people are simply skeptical of identifying with an ideology. That’s fine. Whether they identify with an ideology or not isn’t an issue for me. Whether they uncritically repeat shitlib takes and just accept this horrorshow as the default is the issue. That’s my litmus test for relationship prospects.
I’ve been very lucky to have a partner that radicalized with me.
