• rockSlayer@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    Yes. Capitalism is private ownership over the means of production. Slavery serves capitalism very well, even if it didn’t invent slavery.

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      If a CEO finds out that he can get slaves to do the work for free instead of spending money on it they have an obligation to the shareholders to do what makes the company the most money.

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        The only reason corporations aren’t doing chattel slavery in the U.S. right now is that they’re legally barred from it.

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          I just heard an NPR story about US Steel Corp using chattel slavery less than a hundred years ago. They worked people to death and buried them in unmarked graves.

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      7 months ago

      That’s a simplification

      Mercantilism had private ownership of production

      Capitalism is pay based on hours worked (only way to get rich is to work more hours than someone else)

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        (only way to get rich is to work more hours than someone else)

        In our current system, this is not how you get rich, AT ALL.
        Billionaires aren’t people who worked 3 jobs and lived with roommates until they made it. They’re not even in the same class as these people.

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          Yeah, capitalism was drawn up to prevent that

          Turns out that people with money/power will influence laws to their own benefit

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        I don’t understand your point. The most important feature of capitalism is the private ownership of capital. Capitalism isn’t “hustle, fuck bitches get money” or whatever. Money and wage labor goes back to the founding of civilization. It isn’t a new invention.

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          So did private ownership

          That wasn’t what Capitalism was about

          In the wealth of nations Smith talks great lengths about the labourer being king of the market not the landowners and that with advancement in technology costs should go down except land owners prevent that

          The whole system is supposed to favour the labourer compared to Mercantilism where the rich got richer because they owned the production

          It also praised the American colonies for open immigration saying they could double their population faster than anyone in Europe and that would double their economy

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            I think one of the main problems with Smith’s conception of capitalism is that he didn’t account for how huge and pervasive and intrusive advertising would become. He naively assumed that the best product would dominate the market when actually people will buy whatever is thrust in front of the their eyes a thousand times a day.

            And of course corporate lobbying wasn’t such an issue in his time.

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              We have term limits for governments but not for corporations

              Their ability to last indefinitely allows them more control than anyone thought possible

              And no matter what system you choose; they will act in self interest that will allow them to expand/erode the system to benefit themselves

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              No, the problem with Smith’s capitalism is that he’s constantly misrepresented

              He was descriptive, not prescriptive. He was not an advocate of capitalism, he was explaining it - and if you read the wealth of nations and your takeaway was “Lassie Faire capitalism is a good idea”, reread it

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                I appreciate your critique but I’ve got to be honest and say that I’m not going to spend any more time in my life trying to justify late stage capitalism. It will eventually be replaced and pass into history like every other economic system, if it doesn’t kill us first. 💣

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                  My point is that Adam Smith wasn’t really an advocate of capitalism, he explained it and made a strong case for the necessity of regulation

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                And we know now that his analysis on the outcome of capitalism is incorrect. Capitalism exists for the private property holders to extract as much wealth and power as possible from their privileged position. That unrelenting pursuit of profit has led to even worse inequality, and is collapsing entire ecosystems. It’s a disaster of an economic system full of contradictions. Those contradictions are now causing capitalism to collapse in on itself.

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                  So you realize that the problems with capitalism are what it set out to prevent

                  That doesn’t make the core of capitalism the opposite

                  That means it’s not true capitalism

                  The problem is greed that will exist in any system because people with power will degrade/morph any system to be self serving

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          You really should read Wealth of Nations

          We don’t live in a capitalist society, it’s important to note because the “dream of capitalism” is impossible to achieve

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              So you know capitalism paints that landowners are bad and the labourer as essentially

              Claims the labourer should be the one that gets the money

              Claims money should be given out based of effort

              But you think giving money out based on effort is a bad definition for it

              That’s right?