That the Open Hand charity screwed up bad. Jirard’s character was a guy that took donations to complete charitable works. The real life charity took all the donations and held them for 10 years while telling everybody that their money was going directly to charities for research. They listed multiple charities that they work with that they had never worked with. These are indisputable facts and at the very least should be enough to justify this removal.
To add to that, it seems like they were at least procrastinating in their donations. They claimed that it was to find a charity that would use all the money donated exclusively for research but the charity they finally donated to allows that for any amount if you ask. The donation was made a month after being called out for not donating for 10 years.
Okay, yeah, that’s pretty bad. Thanks for expanding my understanding. I’d never actually heard any of these names other than Sea of Stars before this post, so I came in pretty blind.
Honestly, I was more airing my frustration with what seemed at first glance like a very similar situation to the whole Justin Roiland thing from earlier this year. He got kicked off his own shows based on what turned out to be false allegations, and never got so much as a public apology.
I’ll still wait to pass judgement until more is known, but I at least see that the content removal wasn’t purely done out of fear of public response.
I don’t think I’ll ever understand you people who exist in this weird venn crossover of “This is America it’s their right to perv on teens/be a bigot/whatever other skeevy shit” and “You’re literally infringing on their freedom if you decide you don’t want to work with somebody, you should be forced to do business with them regardless of how terrible or toxic they are”
There’s no extreme here buddy, except yours. You admit guy is an asshole, then complain that people didn’t want to continue working with said asshole. Why does he have the right to be a terrible person, but his coworkers don’t have a right to cut ties with him?
I never said anything about rights. Again you’re putting words in my mouth. Gross. Stay out of my mouth.
Of course people have the right to choose not to work with him. What I’m saying is that it’s morally wrong to force him out of his own show because he used to be a horny, creepy jerk. He’s (probably) learned his lesson and nobody else will be “victimized” by him, so all forcing him out does is harm the show and him. Nobody benefits.
“I’m not saying they can’t not work with him, I’m just saying it’s morally wrong to not work with him.”
There’s actually alot more than this single issue to him being let go anyway (not that you care,) but it’s super telling about you as a person that you’re dying on this hill that it’s infinitely more morally wrong to refuse to work with a pedo creep than it is to be a pedo creep.
Making comments like that and worse to young teenage fans makes him look a lot like a predator. You should read some of the text exchanges where he’s encouraging girls who he’s been talking to for years and have just turned 18 to hang out and get drunk with him.
Roiland isn’t a great person, but great artists rarely are. All charges were dropped, so all he’s guilty of is being a horny creep, like most men of his generation.
I personally wouldn’t do anything like that now, but I definitely would have in my cringey youth. People learn and grow. I’m not him, so I can’t say with certainty, but I’m pretty sure he won’t do or say anything like that again. How does canceling him now benefit anyone?
He’s from the 80s. I generally despise sweeping generalisations about generations, but I don’t think I’ve seen “millennials are sexual predators” before.
Jirard’s donation of the money they have is an attempt to distract from the real embezzlement crimes. They stole money. The math doesn’t add up. And now they want you to believe that 100% of the money was just sitting in a bank account for 10 years that they finally donated.
It doesn’t add up because we have zero internal numbers. He already admitted the donations went towards paying for the events so why couldn’t it be possible that the numbers reported are what they are because of all the money spent on the events. It doesn’t make it right in the least since Jirard was saying all the money was going to the charity, but it is a possible explanation aside from embezzlement.
The event costs is embezzlement -the donations were taken with a promise they wouldn’t be spent on that, and paying for the event means paying for content for his channel, paying to promote his channel, paying to expand his subscriber base, etc.
Compare it to a non-charity event on his channel. He makes content, he takes the money from subscriptions. A “charity event” would then be when he makes content and instead of taking money from subscriptions, he donates it. If the “charity event” is still him making content, and him still taking money from subscriptions, then that’s more like a non-charity event. Even if a donation is made with some of the money then the event is still a non-charity event in the sense that he said he was donating the event itself, i.e. not being compensated for it - if he’s being compensated for the event then he didn’t donate “the event”, he was employed for the event.
That the Open Hand charity screwed up bad. Jirard’s character was a guy that took donations to complete charitable works. The real life charity took all the donations and held them for 10 years while telling everybody that their money was going directly to charities for research. They listed multiple charities that they work with that they had never worked with. These are indisputable facts and at the very least should be enough to justify this removal.
To add to that, it seems like they were at least procrastinating in their donations. They claimed that it was to find a charity that would use all the money donated exclusively for research but the charity they finally donated to allows that for any amount if you ask. The donation was made a month after being called out for not donating for 10 years.
Okay, yeah, that’s pretty bad. Thanks for expanding my understanding. I’d never actually heard any of these names other than Sea of Stars before this post, so I came in pretty blind.
Honestly, I was more airing my frustration with what seemed at first glance like a very similar situation to the whole Justin Roiland thing from earlier this year. He got kicked off his own shows based on what turned out to be false allegations, and never got so much as a public apology.
I’ll still wait to pass judgement until more is known, but I at least see that the content removal wasn’t purely done out of fear of public response.
Not here to comment on the Justin Roiland thing, just here to say you should watch Karl Jobst on the whole Completionist controversy
A wild Justin Roiland truther has appeared.
So he’s an asshole. That’s pretty on-brand for him. Doesn’t make him guilty or deserving of getting hit with the cancel stick.
I don’t think I’ll ever understand you people who exist in this weird venn crossover of “This is America it’s their right to perv on teens/be a bigot/whatever other skeevy shit” and “You’re literally infringing on their freedom if you decide you don’t want to work with somebody, you should be forced to do business with them regardless of how terrible or toxic they are”
And I don’t think I’ll ever understand you people who live in this weird dimension where everything is an extreme and nuance doesn’t exist.
But hey, in the spirit of cooperation, I’ll gladly share the extra straw I have out back, 'cause it seems you enjoy building strawmen.
There’s no extreme here buddy, except yours. You admit guy is an asshole, then complain that people didn’t want to continue working with said asshole. Why does he have the right to be a terrible person, but his coworkers don’t have a right to cut ties with him?
I never said anything about rights. Again you’re putting words in my mouth. Gross. Stay out of my mouth.
Of course people have the right to choose not to work with him. What I’m saying is that it’s morally wrong to force him out of his own show because he used to be a horny, creepy jerk. He’s (probably) learned his lesson and nobody else will be “victimized” by him, so all forcing him out does is harm the show and him. Nobody benefits.
“I’m not saying they can’t not work with him, I’m just saying it’s morally wrong to not work with him.”
There’s actually alot more than this single issue to him being let go anyway (not that you care,) but it’s super telling about you as a person that you’re dying on this hill that it’s infinitely more morally wrong to refuse to work with a pedo creep than it is to be a pedo creep.
Making comments like that and worse to young teenage fans makes him look a lot like a predator. You should read some of the text exchanges where he’s encouraging girls who he’s been talking to for years and have just turned 18 to hang out and get drunk with him.
Roiland isn’t a great person, but great artists rarely are. All charges were dropped, so all he’s guilty of is being a horny creep, like most men of his generation.
I personally wouldn’t do anything like that now, but I definitely would have in my cringey youth. People learn and grow. I’m not him, so I can’t say with certainty, but I’m pretty sure he won’t do or say anything like that again. How does canceling him now benefit anyone?
He’s from the 80s. I generally despise sweeping generalisations about generations, but I don’t think I’ve seen “millennials are sexual predators” before.
But, what about the golf event money? Where’s the rest of the money for those events?
Jirard’s donation of the money they have is an attempt to distract from the real embezzlement crimes. They stole money. The math doesn’t add up. And now they want you to believe that 100% of the money was just sitting in a bank account for 10 years that they finally donated.
It doesn’t add up because we have zero internal numbers. He already admitted the donations went towards paying for the events so why couldn’t it be possible that the numbers reported are what they are because of all the money spent on the events. It doesn’t make it right in the least since Jirard was saying all the money was going to the charity, but it is a possible explanation aside from embezzlement.
Those gaps are too wide for just the event costs. And even if it was, I would still suspect embezzlement, in the style of Hollywood accounting.
Possibly but I’m trying my best to not make any statements that do not have concrete proof.
The event costs is embezzlement -the donations were taken with a promise they wouldn’t be spent on that, and paying for the event means paying for content for his channel, paying to promote his channel, paying to expand his subscriber base, etc.
Compare it to a non-charity event on his channel. He makes content, he takes the money from subscriptions. A “charity event” would then be when he makes content and instead of taking money from subscriptions, he donates it. If the “charity event” is still him making content, and him still taking money from subscriptions, then that’s more like a non-charity event. Even if a donation is made with some of the money then the event is still a non-charity event in the sense that he said he was donating the event itself, i.e. not being compensated for it - if he’s being compensated for the event then he didn’t donate “the event”, he was employed for the event.