• dreadedsemi@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    The author calls it JIF. He intended it as Jif because he has butter fingers and like butter brand JIF.

    I’m used to hard G though.

    • Nora@sh.itjust.works
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      11 months ago

      And British people made English, but they don’t say anything right either.

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      I know he says it’s pronounced “jif”, but I just don’t care. It’s like “gift” without the t

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        Let’s be honest here, English does not have that level of consistency. “Women” is pronounced with an “i” for christ sake

        • tryptaminev 🇵🇸 🇺🇦 🇪🇺@feddit.de
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          Because the a in woman is pronounced the same way the e in women is pronounced…

          Probably that was originally introduced by some medieval swinger society, so they could say that they are faithful to their women and technically not be lying about it. When the church figured out they introduced the o as an i thing.

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            Because the a in woman is pronounced the same way the e in women is pronounced…

            woman = wum-en
            women = wim-in

            Yeah I’m gonna have to disagree with you there, chief.

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        Say the word “though” in your head. Then add a “t” to it. Would you really argue that “though” and “thought” are pronounced the same simply because they’re the same spelling save for a final “t”?

        The easiest “rule” is that the creator can decide how to pronounce and spell it lol. Taking English rules that don’t even apply 100% of the time to its own words and trying to hold made-up words to the same standards just sounds silly to me haha

        • penguin@sh.itjust.works
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          There are no rules to how new words come into being or how old ones change.

          If everyone says a word a certain way with certain meaning, then that’s what it is. One person doesn’t get to decide.

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      Yeah, I always read it as “Jif” then came the correctness police of Reddit and I was bullied into “Gif” by guilt.

      And now some 8-40 years later, I feel anything but “Gif” is wrong. Help!

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      Can you really just drop a hard G like that though? Thought that was only okay for them to say

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      11 months ago

      He didn’t intend shit. He just wanted to watch the world burn!

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      11 months ago

      This makes no sense. It stands for “Graphics Interchange Format”, do they pronounce it jraphics too?

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        11 months ago

        There are so many examples in this thread alone as to why this rule doesn’t work. SCUBA: the U is for “underwater” and the A is for “apparatus”. We don’t pronounce it “SC-uh-B-ahhh”. JPEG: The P is for “photographic”. We don’t pronounce it “JayFeg”. LASER: The E is for “emission”. We don’t pronounce it “Lay-See-R”. RADAR: The second A is for “And” (lol). We don’t pronounce it “Ray-Day-R”.

        The easiest “rule” is just the guy who made it up can dictate how they want it spelled and to pronounce. The word is made up anyway, and isn’t subject to rules that actual English words have been subjected to for however long the language evolved.

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          The guy that came up with with the acronym for unidentified flying object also wrote that it should pronounced you-fo but everyone spells it out because that is less confusing. So there is an example of the creator being ignored.

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          Yep, I take your point

          Seems an odd choice in gif’s case still, as you can use the starting letter sounds from each word and it doesn’t sound weird.

          Not the same for jpeg. P by itself doesn’t make a ph sound.

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        11 months ago

        Ya and in English, we pronounce things like giant, giraffe, gin, etc. with a “j” sound.

      • tryptaminev 🇵🇸 🇺🇦 🇪🇺@feddit.de
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        Nobody made english, nor is a language static. It is an everchanging result of millions of people using and evolving it.

        A language that doesn’t change is dead, like latin is. So any rule of how something is supposed to be in a language is subject to time and place, but never absolute.

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          That’s my point. If everyone pronounces a word a certain way, THAT is its correct pronunciation. The first person to say a thing doesn’t get to tell everyone else they’re wrong.

          Everyone started using the word “literally” to mean figuratively, so the official definition changed to mean either or.

          Everyone says GIF similar to gift, then that’s the proper pronunciation. Creator has no say.

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      I don’t really give a fuck what he intended. If he wanted it to be pronounced JIF he should have named it that.

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    Hard G and soft G are both acceptable pronunciatiations, the only way to be wrong in the situation is to insist that your preferred way to pronounce it is the only correct way to pronounce it

    Oh, except silent G. Silent G is wrong.

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    G in gif stands for graphics just like how P in jpeg stands for poto

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    English is phonetically inconsistent, you can find examples to support both ways of pronouncing it.

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      There are some consistencies in letter patterns, just not in individual letters. For example, no word that starts with go-, ga-, or gu- pronounces the g like a j (except for the archaic gaol, and there’s a reason the spelling was changed to jail). It’s mainly limited to ge- and gi- words.

      Inconsistencies with the other options are probably due either to how the term came into English (English is practically built on loanwords) or some other subsequent pattern of letters I’m too lazy to try to identify.

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      11 months ago

      The only real rule is that words come and go and change organically. People don’t just decree that a word needs to change like some king of language.

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      11 months ago

      But the g in gif stands for “graphical,” not “giraffe!” You silly goose

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        That’s easily the worst reasoning for the hard-g considering how we don’t pronounce the letters of most acronyms based on the phrases they come from.

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        11 months ago

        yeah man, just like you go scuba diving oo-nderwater.

        it’s a dead end. We can’t pretend that “g” can’t also be pronounced as “j”, or that the words making up the acronym matter. It’s all preference and since GIF’s dad called it “jif”, I’m gonna call it “jif”. At least that’s based on something beyond my own hubris.

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          This is my thinking - as far as I know he actually called it that as a reference to jif peanut butter.

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          Saying it with a hard G because ‘graphical’ has a hard G is a reason based on something beyond hubris.

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    In English the correct way to pronounce something is the way that will most reliably communicate to your intended audience without ambiguity or distraction.

    Since my intention is usually to convey my superior knowledge of trivia and/or to stir shit up, I pronounce it with a soft g.

  • This comment section is killing me lmao.

    You have people saying that language is fluid, and that one person cannot decide which pronunciation is correct. Then, in that same comment, they say that their preferred pronunciation is obviously correct.

    Hard g, soft g, you do you. It really doesn’t change much.

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      This is fair. My only issue is with those that go “but the creator says it’s pronounced this way! The other way is clearly wrong!” as if what the creator says actually matters. It doesn’t. Especially when said creator waits 26 years to announce how he pronounces it.

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      I pronounce it “zhif” like the sound from zsa zsa Gabor’s name. It irritates everyone equally, and gives me a happy.

      Also, if you’re familiar with the gnome/guh-nome debate on the Linux side of the playground, pronouncing it with a glottal stop at the beginning will give everyone around an immediate stroke.

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    This is the reason I say Gesus and oh my Jod, now. Can’t say everyone appreciates it.

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    does it really matter? as long as you passed third grade reading comprehension you can use context from the conversation to understand that the person is talking about a moving image instead of a peanut butter brand.

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    The letter G itself is pronounced with the “j” sound.

    I started out pronouncing GIF by saying the letters: “g-I-f.” It eventually shortens into “jif.”

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      Weird, you could totally spell G as jee. I wonder how many letters you can accurately spell without using the letter itself

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        that’s a single word. When we make acronyms, they’re subject to the pronunciation rules of the new word they’ve become, not the word the letter is sourced from – This is pretty obvious if you think about it for a minute.

        It’s NATO but we say atlantic It’s SCUBA but we say underwater

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          I was addressing “The letter G itself is pronounced with the “j” sound.” because letters can make more than one sound.

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            right but they’re position relative to other letters form syllables and does have (some) rules. GIF GI-F, like Gi-raf-fe