Not gonna lie, if a Furry told me they got arrested by animal control I’d be impressed.
Is there anyone at cons who plays that role? Like walking around with a big net and a villainous smirk?
Considering fur is a kink for a bunch of people, I’d say this is entirely likely. Even more so: your animal control Dom is also a furry.
This is a thing at burning man every year. A group goes out as animal control with nets and catches furries. It’s an ongoing feud
Considering how terminally online one has to be to find themselves on this platform, I’m surprised how little any of y’all know about furries
And well, it’s not literally animals in that sense. At least not the entire community.
Kind of like getting a speeding ticket on a bicycle…
That happened to me once! I was 15 and going to school, was riding a Lotus Eclair I’d fixed up. I entered the school zone and wanted to see if I could get over 25 mph. But there was a cop hiding and I got a ticket. I had to tell my parents, and I think they were impressed with my 31 in a 25 speeding ticket.
The best part was having to go to court, and the judge asking how I got a Lotus (she was thinking of a car) and then upon learning the truth, asking the officer why he was wasting his time stopping a kid on a bicycle.
I’ve got to admit that Republicans are always finding new and creative ways to be outrageously villainous and hateful
It’s because furries are overwhelmingly queer and often used as a stand in for fear mongering about trans people (ex: the “litter boxes in schools” rumor).
Furries are the next target after trans people.
I would say it’s more that they recognize furries are largely a queer subculture (regardless of the fact that straight furries exist) and correctly recognize it as less objectionable to most people’s sensibilities to say you’re getting furries removed from schools by animal control than it is to say you’re getting queer kids removed from schools by animal control.
It sounds really outlandish until you remember that in the 80s, DnD was used to make everyone afraid of a literal Satan, and we ended up with children testifying they were flown across the country and back to participate in Satanic rituals or flushed down toilets into hidden chambers where people were sacrificing live animals to the Dark Lord in the 8-9 hours they were at daycare.
People went to prison over this.
In the early 90s my mom was convinced Satanic women got pregnant and gave birth to babies to murder in rituals, and nobody could prove it because they gave birth outside a hospital and no record of the children existed.
I get some of the 80s/90s nostalgia but SO much of it was just actual hell lol.
I mean, furries have been targeted by the right for a long time, but they are nothing if not famous for winning the battle but losing the war when it comes to trying to stamp out subcultures they don’t like. They’ve finally given up on trying to legislate homosexuality away, so now they’re turning their attention to a less understood and more marginalized subculture of individuals. They’ll give up on that eventually too when they realize they’ll never win and turn their attention to the next vulnerable group to rally and galvanize their base.
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Not to mention wrong. Sounds like a result of the litterbox panic from a little while ago.
Which stemmed from an active shooter measure that would have allowed kids to relieve themselves without out having to leave the safety of their hiding place.
Is that really what it’s from? If you could share a link I’d much appreciat it!
Well, it’s not from a school allowing children to use a litter box instead of a toilet because they’re a furry, because that doesn’t happen.
The [Jefferson County] district — where Columbine High School is located — has been stocking classrooms with small amounts of cat litter since 2017, but as part of “go buckets” that contain emergency supplies in case students are locked in a classroom during a shooting. The buckets also contain candy for diabetic students, a map of the school, flashlights, wet wipes and first aid items.
Thank you! I mostly want that to shove in people’s face when they go on about it.
I’m pretty sure kids are going to do that regardless of the legality…
I know 11 year olds who would rather take a chance with a gunman than piss themselves in front of their whole class. Giving them a more dignified way to do things is only a good thing
What? This isn’t a legal issue.
Being a politician is all about getting attention. The more outrageous the bill or the thing the bill is addressing the more attention. This bill will hopefully never pass, but here we are talking about it.
And projection that a bunch of them are probably into furries, or domination, or both.
We clearly need Barney Frank’s ‘expose em when they oppress’ tactics back in the house.
On one hand, this has got to be public trolling. On the other, it’s still a bill calling for a classification of people to be removed from society. If it weren’t so scary it would be funny.
Fascism demands outlandish “enemies” in order to justify punishment as policy. Usually, no suitable ones exist, so they are created through outlandish fantasy.
it’s both fucking insane and scary. remember that furry hate has always been thinly veiled homophobia
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This is a weird amount of preoccupation to have with a subculture of mostly queer people who just watched too much Disney and read too much Warrior Cats or Animorphs as kids.
In general furries embrace their cringe and are unashamed of the stuff they enjoy, can’t say I see anything near as wholesome from the company you keep when you’re hand wringing about sexual degenerates that should be banned from schools.
HEY i resemble that remark.
Gays. Black people. Non Christians. Your exact statement has been said about all of them.
Saying something is fucked up has been said about a lot of things. I’m sure there’s someone who’s said it’s fucked up to put pineapple on a pizza.
Also you do realise those are things people are born as? Whereas no furry was born a non-human.
The fact you would even compare them is a a revile as 4Chan trolls trying to link “maps” to LGBT.
Furries don’t think they’re non human hon.
Furrys don’t claim they’re actually animals.
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So, sometimes I pretend to be a wizard and roll some dice about it. If one of my players showed up in armor it’d be badass. It’s a hobby. Few things are more cringe than furry hate.
Bullshit. That’s the same shit used against drag queens and crossdressers. People who were instrumental to lgbtq history. I’d have thought someone “not straight” would’ve known better.
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… Hey, how bad are your delusions that you think chocolate is people?
TIL religion is an immutable personal characteristic
Nobody is born religious, therefore everyone is born non-Christian.
True, but it’s obviously different from race, sex, etc. It’s closer to nationality, because it affects your upbringing but can change over time.
You can not be homophobic and have similar thoughts on a subject with a group that is.
Very little has a strictly black and white separation in this world, it’s all shades of grey.
Go tell that to uranium
furry hate has always been thinly veiled homophobia
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You don’t like Bugs Bunny?
I don’t want to fuck Bugs Bunny or be him.
I like pizza, I’m not a Pizza-ie.
And neither do most furries. It’s like saying gamers are fucked up because they wanna fuck Lara Croff and cosplay Let Me Solo Her. The weirdest parts of a community aren’t the only parts, or even the biggest parts. Plenty of furries just like watching Looney Tunes and Zootopia and making OCs.
The furries=sexual deviants line was what they once said about Trekkies, and it was as true then as it is now.
Put way better than I could say it, thank you. As somebody who’s been on the edge of that community for years as an artist, the hatred they get has always baffled me.
I can even agree that for a lot of cartoony media, depicting people as animals can give it a really cool/cute style. A lot of people have fond memories of reading the Redwall books, which took that to a logical and mature extension. But, having close association to all of the sexual stuff is where it gets bizarre and unlikable.
I’ll even go out on a limb; I really enjoyed Lauren Faust’s My Little Pony series. I thought there was some fun, inventive writing humor, good VA, and smooth animation; for a time. But there’s undeniably a ton of people that made obsession with that series really weird.
Incorrect, most furries are attracted to animals.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30806867/
Edit: would like to clarify that I don’t have anything against furries. But saying there isn’t a sexual aspect about it, is not true.
I have a few furry friends as well, and they all are into the sexual aspect of it, one used to be a roommate, I always got a chuckle out of the animal noises they would make when having sex.
My new place is more soundproof, lol.
The sample they used is likely not representative of the whole fandom; they only interviewed 334 furries in the study, from a fandom made of millions of people. And the participants were all male, too.
…I can’t be the only one who actually reads these things, right?
But saying there isn’t a sexual aspect about it, is not true.
Bruh, take anything and you can probably find a sexual aspect about it.
There’s a sexual aspect about Sports Illustrated. I’m not going to turn around and say everyone who subscribes to Sports Illustrated is a pervert.
I didn’t say there was no sexual aspect to it, but I stand corrected that there’s some sexual aspect involved for the vast majority (at least of the men they interviewed). I wish the rest of that study wasn’t locked behind a paywall, 'cause I’m curious about the details now. I wanna know what they mean by “some aspect.” However, it’s disingenuous/misleading to say that furries are attracted to animals, as that’s zoophilia and is on the same level as pedophilia. Grouping the two together like that is like “MAPs” claiming they’re part of the LGBT. My general experience with furries is that the animal fuckers are treated on the same level as the Nazi furs.
Whenever this kind of thing comes up, though, I can’t help but think about the internet outrage from when they made Lola Bunny’s boobs smaller in the new Space Jam movie and wonder how many of those people are the same people who call furries gross, lmao.
Hey, is there some reason you changed the phrase that the researchers very consistently used, which was anthropomorphic animals, which they defined in the very first sentence as being like Bugs Bunny? You get how that is not the same as looking at a living rabbit and feeling sexual arousal, right?
I guess “most furries want to fuck characters like Bugs Bunny!!” was just obvious shit everyone already knew.
Idk man that doesn’t quite sound like hate to me. More of a sting dislike. I think the point still stands.
This is a wild take
Non-furries love anthropomorphic animal characters. Our culture is full of them; all cultures are. Furries didn’t invent sports mascots, Looney Tunes, the Easter Bunny, Aesop’s fables, or the Egyptian pantheon. Obviously it’s not the appreciation for talking animals that people actually hate. So why is it that, out of all the weird subcultures that exist, the one that gets the most hate thrown at it is the one centered around a love of something universal to all human cultures?
It’s because the founders of the modern furry fandom were gay and poly, and the fandom has always had an overwhelmingly LGBT membership because it used to be the only non-fetish community that openly accepted gay and trans people. All anti-furry hate is either a negative reaction to the fandom’s queerness or a deliberate attempt to attack the LGBT community by proxy.
I’m sorry but the only way I can describe that perspective is “delusional”. First of all, I’m going to point out that by starting your conclusion with “All furry hate”, you’ve already revealed that you’re simply here to make generalizations instead of to be accurate. Nearly no statement that starts with “all”, “none”, “every”, etc. about such a large group (furry haters) is even worth considering.
Now that I’ve gotten that out of the way: No, people don’t hate furries because they’re LGBT. Most people know nothing about the movement or its founders, and don’t care to. People dislike the furry community because:
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Fursuits look weird. Mascots and the easter bunny fall into this category too. Non-fursuit anthropomorphic animals (eg. Looney Tunes) are generally well-regarded, even somewhat if they’re from the furry community.
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Someone told them about yiff or showed them a vore picture and now they hate all furries.
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Their primary interactions with furries lead them into direct contact with “the weird kids” aka assorted cringy 12 year olds. Any community with a significant number of preteens will have this same repulsive effect on older teenagers and young adults, or even other preteens. See also: Fortnite, Skibidi Toilet, FNAF to some extent, Roblox, etc.
That’s it. There’s no grand anti-lgbt conspiracy. Furries are just weird. If you want, I have access to a discord server that’s like 60-70% queer and I can make a google form to prove this.
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anthropomorphic behavior
Anyone else morbidly curious about what happens if they don’t fix the bill’s wording and accidentally ban “human-shaped behavior” at school?
SSSHHHHHHHHHH!!!
How ironic. By trying to make people not act like animals, they force everyone to behave like animals.
Oklahoma conservatives vs word with more than 3 syllables challenge, who will win?
My thoughts too!
This is going to really suck for the school mascot.
How does Oklahoma have nothing else to legislate on?
They have plenty, but they’d rather distract from society’s issues as much as possible so their arctic temperature IQ constituents don’t realize how bad they have it
If they can keep everyone distracted by The Gays™ or whatever other sexual deviancy the redhats can dream up, then maybe people won’t notice the roads falling apart or the useless police, or more importantly, which people are stealing all the money.
Not saying this justifies it (kinda the opposite), but there’s a massive furry community in Oklahoma. They even used to have very large conventions there (still might?)
Oklahoma where the furries come yiffing down the planes
At the same time, this douchebag wants to specifically target kids who are playing pretend to make their miserable lives bearable, just to distract from real issues like trans bills, don’t say gay, and governmental corruption.
Ran out of things to ban
Humphrey’s bill, House Bill 3084, would ban “students who purport to be an imaginary animal or animal species, or who engage in anthropomorphic behavior commonly referred to as furries at school” from participating in class and school activities.
This is, hands down, the worst description of furries I have ever read in my entire life.
Hell, it sounds like something Kindergarteners have been doing since forever.
I used to pretend to be a monster at that age. Would they have to call Monster Control?
(I was a nice monster, like on Sesame Street.)
So what I’m hearing is if I tell the teacher I’m a platypus I don’t have to go to class?
Guaranteed if this law got passed there would be a high school somewhere where the entire student body shows up wearing cat ears.
Ironically also means that it basically wouldn’t apply to anyone unless that person specifically wants it to. Performative outrage bill.
yeah you see you can’t do the intelligent thing of just saying “you have to come to school with normal clothes on” which is literally what countries with a brain did. Also this is generally left to the school to set up. In France the law just says that a school is allowed to implement rules regarding clothing. Just simply think of P.E clothing. The law has a couple safeguard like you can’t ban a specific outfit for being from another culture (obvious) and the rest is left for the school to decide
Like basically every school in the US has a dress code already. Don’t get this twisted into something else, this is purely performative nonsense by some backwoods inbred redneck.
“What is my purport?”
“You are a furry”
“No”
I mean the impression I had for like a decade was essentially this. Then a guy sent me links on how to be his specific type of fantasy creature. It was sergel or sergal iirc. It had some really weird backstory and lore to the species detailing how they were warlords or something and I was really weirded out. It was very much like how some kids I went to school with would loose it if you told them that they weren’t whatever comic or movie character they were hyperfixated on, only more socially awkward and adults doing it.
Anyway I feel like that’s as close as you can get without reading out someones entire backstory novel.
…yeah that sounds about right for sergals, tbh
Generally speaking, once you get past the “traditional” species like foxes, rabbits, cats, etc., and start getting more into the esoteric fantasy/scifi species like sergals, protogens, and yinglets, the people who create characters for those species tend to fall into one of two camps:
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super srs “you must follow this lore to the letter or I will end you, by which I mean I will post a FurAffinity journal for my 7 followers complaining about your character diverging from the lore that nobody will pay attention to” types
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“oh this looks cool I’m gonna make one and put my own twist on the design” types
Funny story, the person who originally designed protogens tried to be the first type, but pretty much everyone ignored him and just did their own thing anyway
what the devil is that contraption your describing ? What is a protogens ?
I’M SCARED
They’re literally fluffy cyborgs with an LED monitor display for a face lol
by god…
Fucking child murder
The fuck?
I think (hope) they’re referring to the last panel of that comic.
Don’t be scared. Protogens run on 2015 Bayesian Inference search results from Google before Google became inherently evil.
So as long as long as they don’t update…
so if we connect them to internet we die ? Is that right ?
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Sergal
It’s originally from a Japanese series or something I’m not really well versed into that specific lore
How would you describe furries?
The above description would fit many many circumstances that are not furry related or problematic at all. Saying “I’m a cat. no, really” or meowing or licking your hand would all fit that description, (except not really because the word anthropomorphic is used wrong), but don’t mean a person is a furry. Moreover these behaviors by themselves don’t cause any problems unless you imagine a bunch of other stuff that’s not included in this definition.
So it is an overbroad law that allows prosecutors to apply it selectively and at the same time is very hard to defend against.
A better definition for the purpose of the law would describe some behavior that actually causes damage to society, like disrupting class or arresting kids at school for saying they are a cat.
A better definition of a furry would probably include some kind of pattern of behavior and the extent to which it impacts daily life, as here
I wouldn’t use a definition that includes some kid prancing around race track pretending to be a horse. That’s just kids being kids and politicians need to stop sexualizing them.
Not even sexualizing, right?
I love furry culture because I can see the art that’s intended for Magic The Gathering cards before it goes into print.
The internet has to get over this furry shame and start collectively recognizing that a tail is like a necktie for your butt, and everyone should have one, because it’s rather flattering.
Imagine being an animal control guy and having a school seriously call you and ask you to take a stranger’s child because of that child’s participation in a subculture.
“Here kiddy kiddy kiddy”
Imagine having the cops called on you for being a child predator when you’re just animal control.
I don’t think I’d have the willpower to avoid responding by calling them pigs on the loose. I’d already want to be dead as animal control tasked with catching furry schoolchildren.
Child control
Pretty sure that will leave the animal control people open to being charged with botched citizen arrests. Not sure what Oklahoma’s particular arrest laws are like but for most States you are pretty limited in what you can do to perform one and the standards of places you can use to detain an arrested person in are usually at least required to be humane and actively monitored.
The answer to "Little Timmy wore a tiger costume to school for Halloween do you have a cage available? " should properly be “Get fucked authoritarian scum I have actual work to do.”
Imagine working for the state and being ordered to engage in a random citizen’s kink.
Yes, I know being a furry isn’t just a kink.
being ordered to engage in a random citizen’s
That’s called oppression. Also furry is an identity, believe it or not.
I’m not buying the “furry isn’t just a kink” thing at all, but please enlighten me. How does it qualify as an identity?
Belonging to a fandom or other special interest community is typically something that is done through self-identification, which is different than identities that are not chosen, but still part of a broader idea of identity. There are plenty of examples of these self-chosen identities: Trekkies, Potterheads, Bronies, Cumberbitches, etc. Simply watching Star Trek doesn’t make you a Trekkie though, it’s a label people apply to themselves when they feel invested in that thing and want to be part of a community of people who feel the same. That’s all. I also hate to tell you that there are themed sex parties at Star Trek conventions too, so does that make being a Trekkie a kink? Is doing the Vulkan salute and telling someone to “live long and prosper” in public forcing that kink on others?
“Furry” is just yet another accepting group that is easy to get into for people who feel like they don’t belong anywhere and others. It’s quite simple and the same as many other things.
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life is not this complicated dude, you’re unreasonable.
I didn’t stop reasoning. You did, as you have no answer to my ad absurdum argument lol.
Did they say “in the same way being trans is?” A person’s identity encompasses far more than just their gender and sexual orientation, things like hobbies or career or group affiliations are absolutely part of who a person is, so being a band member would fit. Not in the same way or for the same reason, but they didn’t say that it was.
Be a furry. But do you really think fur suits belong in a classroom?
There aren’t fursuits in class and the bill is worded so broadly that saying “meow” would violate it.
Ah well I guess I assumed the bill was written to remove people wearing fur suits to class. In general yeah, you shouldn’t remove someone from class because they’re a furry.
A bill prohibiting fursuits in class, beyond how rare it would be for a student to have one in the first place, would be redundant anyway, because I’m pretty sure such things wouldn’t fit most schools dress code anyway
Who cares though. It’s a fur suit. It’s basically identical to a mascot costume.
Yeah I totally wear my mascot costume in class.
No, it’s not. There’s just some things that shouldn’t be normalized.
I doubt any kid is gunna wear a full mascot costume to school outside of the actual school mascot. Those costumes cost thousands of dollars to buy and at least half a grand to make from scratch and proper cleaning and maintenance means it fits into furry culture in the same function as wearing a tux . It’s a rare highschool student who can afford one and a rarer one who would risk wearing one where it might be ruined.
The most you are likely to see is Halloween style cat ears and tails of the variety that are readily bought at the gift shop of a zoo… Which kids love to wear because kids like animals in a “I’m pretending I’m a tiger grrr rawr!” schoolyard kind of way.
Kids like weird stuff and have a narrow band of time to play pretend and express themselves beyond adult judgment. Trying to up the humiliation factor and traumatizing kids for doing regular kid stuff and coming down hard on a largely made up problem is just double mild weak sauce in action. Guy’s a jerk.
I don’t know if any kid beyond the age of like 5 that acts like an animal. 30 years ago when I was in school it was never a thing either.
There’s a huge difference between a kid (under 10) and a young adult (17, 28 or older) doing this stuff. You know as well as I do that Furries aren’t just a group of kids playing as animals on the playground for an hour, it goes a lot deeper than that.
I mean 20 years ago it was already a thing. I have enough friends who were at very least furry adjacent to know that for the majority of them it was basically a lower key funny art thing with an element where people were expressing themselves kind of the same way they resonated with like horoscopes and things with a fashion element. Like we had people who wore cat ears because they thought they were cute or drew avatars of themselves and their friends as animals because of some sort of perceived caracature of your traits physical or personality based.
Cosplay culture was something that was on the rise when I was a kid but being a goth was huge when I was in school. It was all skulls, vampire shit, and leather spiked collars, bracers , trenchcoats and fishnets and kind of kitschy fake witchcraft you pretended was actually spooky … But of all the kids that kind of were into it most were completely oblivious to how many of those fashion elements came from the bdsm and fetish community and really couldn’t have cared less because that wasn’t why they liked it. SO many of us were complete prudes by any standard. Like, of my cohort of goth kids about 75 percent of us were still virgins when we graduated.
Teenagers like to play dressup just like your 5 year old does, that’s why anime conventions are so dang popular. We’re just old now and the stuff changes and it doesn’t make sense to us.
Wearing cat ears or drawing someone as an animal isn’t as extreme wearing a full-body animal suit and telling people to call you “buttercup”, that’s the shit I’m talking about.
Also you can’t even compare being Goth to being a Furry.
Lawmaker: "If these flurries think they’re animals, we’re gonna treat them like animals! "
Furries: “Yes, that’s exactly what we want.”
Lawmaker, 5 minutes later: “Who is responsible for this farce??”
For the love of god, please don’t. You’re just making them hornier.
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UWU
Next we’re gonna make the furries wear a collar. That’ll show 'em!
I’m sorry you know this.
And it is true.
- A Dingo
Moral panic.
The right isn’t happy unless it’s panicked about some moral outrage. In the absence of anything to be panicked about they make things up to be panicked about.
I just described this phenomenon to a friend of mine today. We were talking about how racism evolved by the same people to be disgust against gay/trans folk. I explained to him that conservatives require an outgroup to hate on in order to operate and be happy.
This mother fucker took a second and said “Do you think modern conservative discrimination was caused by the fall of the Soviet union? I mean, when communism was a big threat everybody was united and happy hating the soviets”
My boy really trying to paint the red scare as a good thing
technically he was right. Indeed if we all hate communist, we don’t hate gay or blacks. Whomstever The red scare was used to fuck over those same folks
Is it “whoeverthefuck” or “whomeverthefuck”?
You seem like the right person to ask.
Whomstever
- Whomever
- Wherever
- However
- Whomever
- Whenever
- st
i call that efficient english
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_panic
It’s been going on for a long time.
the thing is if they solve the real stuff the don’t have anything to campaign next time
(this work for all parties)
both sides
Really? What is the current moral panic of the Democrats?
I’m personally unhappy with arms being sent to Israel workout approval of shitbox Congress (no typo), and how bad housing and food prices have gotten… But not really a panic, those are very real things.
Not this anti-furry shaming bullshit. What a waste of people’s time for something hurting nobody.
Almost as dumb as that (both sides) argument.
The high cost of living isn’t a moral panic. The satanic panic, the satanic messages in rock music panic, the drag queen story time panic, and the furry litter box panic are moral panics.
Indeed, that’s why I never once mentioned being in panic 😉
That’s interesting since the question was specifically about moral panics.
Being nonsensical: a human attribute. Thanks for your comment 😊
The potential death of democracy is probably pretty forefront, but they certainly don’t focus on it enough.
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He hit on a thicc furry who resoundingly rejected him and never let it go.
Imagine if this passes and the next day the entire school staff dresses up as furries in protest. “Okay Timmy you see that person with the fox outfit on? That’s your teacher today.”
honestly small children might love that
Those masks are expensive as shit though, aren’t they?
Yeah, a decent one is going to be $300-500. For a partial, the head is the most expensive part, and cheaping out on it is a great way to get some S-tier nightmare fuel. Full suits are minimum $1000, but I’d say a good one is at least double that, and they can go into the $5k+ range.
You can source all-natural fursuits from your local animal shelter!
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I have a friend who makes mascot costumes. She and her husband sometimes wear them out for entertainment. Little kids absolutely ADORE seeing human-sized Pokemon walking around the mall, bowling alley, or the like.
I see all these silly rules being floated and part of me almost wishes I was back in high school so I could be really annoying.
Can’t wait to see the reporting on the fallout from this, if it goes forward.
Bureaucratic backlash from department heads at Animal Control, and whichever state administration or department that their chain of authority ultimately flows down from.
Overzealous Animal Control officer who assaults a child that a school administrator called in for pickup.
Mass student protests of dozens of kids going to school as furries
And that’s just a few off the top of my head. The possibilities are endless.
Mass student protests of dozens of kids going to school as furries
This sounds like the kind of protest id participate in when I was in school. As a parent I’d totally wear a fur suit to pick up my kids as a form of protest
For real, shit-disturbing teenage me would have immediately flipped from “furries are dumb and weird” to “what’s the minimum requirement to count as a furry” as soon as I found out that animal control would have to pick us up.
The thought of an old-school dog catcher chasing me with a net while I ran away wearing floppy dog ears is just too amazing to pass up.
What about a fish. Could I be a fish? Oh, what a time to be grown up and with kids of my own instead of being able to be a ridiculous jackass.
Can’t drive with it on though. At least not morally and legally
