• Kinglink@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    About half the people who completely demonize this will still call for some form of it in America. “We won’t abuse it unlike them.” “We need to stomp out hate speech” “Think of the children”.

    This is disgusting no matter what, and even if you somehow think a current government won’t abuse this, what happens when someone else runs the government?

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      11 months ago

      Couldn’t agree more! This is why the internet needs to stay as it is: anonymous, uncensored and open to all. At this point a free and open internet is an essential part of liberty.

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        Internet is hardly anonymous unless out really go out of your…

        It is very much censored just not here so far.

        It us vaguely open to all but we got some barriers. But access in US is good.

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      11 months ago

      No tankie worth their salt would say it’s a good thing, lol. Being anti-NATO doesn’t immediately mean someone is pro-Putin.

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          11 months ago

          Funnily enough that’s what the right-wing nuts and left-wing nuts in Germany have in common. We’re living in the strangest timeline.

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          11 months ago

          (I’m implying that you, as many others, equate “tankies” with “communists”)

          That’s why I restricted to only those worth their salt. Russian-right-wing larpers aren’t welcome in any communist group.

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              Afaik it’s consensus for communists to be both anti-NATO and anti-Putin, as is my case. But since lots of people now just use “tankie” as a derogatory term for “communist” instead of “Putin supporter and Russian supremacist”, I felt like making the distinction was a good call.

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                11 months ago

                No, I definitely did not mean communist. I am a socialist, but I am sympathetic to communist ideas.

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                  11 months ago

                  Then I’m glad to be your acquaintance, comrade. We might have different ideas on how things could be better and how to fight for them, but we definitely know what the real issues are.

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        11 months ago

        Being anti-NATO doesn’t immediately mean someone is pro-Putin.

        Nor did anyone imply that. But seems like a lot of your brethren missed that memo.

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            Killing Nazis isn’t bad, allying with them before being betrayed was. Killing Nazis in self-defense isn’t genocide, Holodomor was.

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              So by those rules you imply the whole west is genocidal and Nazist?

              • USA: genocide of it’s poor, black and indigenous population (by both violence and forced poverty), anti-immigrant policies, police violence, and support for right-wing coups over the world, with Ukraine being the most notable among the recent ones
              • Canada: genocide of indigenous population, forced castration, support for right-wing coups
              • France: anti-immigrants, support for right-wing coups, exploitation and genocide of Africans
              • Australia: see USA, except for being a direct financial contributor to right-wing coups (but supporting them nonetheless)

              Every western power is genocidal and imperialist, and most crises currently ongoing are way worse than that tired example you gave. Do you just care if the suffering population is white?

              Also, about allying with Nazis: after WW2, who brought home Nazi high officials and gave them positions of power in their own countries again? USA and UK, if you don’t remember.

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                Nice aboutism but either way nobody is saying anything, nor is anybody worship, the US or its genocidal practices, or France for that matter, or anyone else… Tankies on the other hand suck Stalin and Mao dick as if these turds did not kill people for sport.

                Why in 21st century do you need a strong alpha daddy with bad history? Why do you need a daddy at all as an adult person?

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                  When someone brings Holodomor they’re not even trying to understand what they’re even blaming, so out of tiredness, I don’t bring up the fact that the ones who ruined the farms and crops were the rich private landowners who didn’t want their properties to be turned over to the state. Holodomor is a capitalist genocide in what was a communist country.

                  Think for a second: why would a country building an army, needing healthy adults, purposely cause a famine?

                  Meanwhile every western genocide is about racism, slave-labour and exploitation of the land. Every single one.

                  Also, nice fallacies you’re throwing out there, like that ad hominem at the end, truly marvellous.

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    Seems like Putin is trying to recreate the CCP’s great firewall to hide the scope of his failure in invading Ukraine. It kind of reminds me of the last days of the USSR when they tried desperately to hide how bad the situation was. I’m curious how he technically plans to prevent foreign VPN use, he could create lists of known servers but my understanding is that VPN traffic is encrypted and not able to be identified as such, and of course he’s incapable of stopping starlink or similar satellite internet access.

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      It is possible to detect if traffic is being tunneled through a VPN with deep packet inspection. The great firewall actually does this and blocks popular VPN protocols like wireguard. However its possible to bypass the firewall by hiding/masking the traffic as being HTTPS data (like visiting a website) with software like shadowsocks.

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    11 months ago

    Putin has signed new laws that will decimate online anonymity

    So Putin is going to remove 10% of online anonymity?

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        Its a term from Roman history where every tenth man would have to step forward and be executed. If I remember correctly it was mainly used on disobedient armies that retreated or didn’t follow orders (citation needed)

        So its only 10% dead