• Feathercrown@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    I feel like when you see some people being evil, and your conclusion is that everyone would be evil if given the chance, you kind of have to also be evil to come to that conclusion. Good people don’t “turn evil” easily. If you suddenly “become evil” as soon as the opportunity presents itself, were you ever truly good?

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      7 months ago

      Ever heard the phrase “power corrupts”? Sure, there might be people who are good and come to might and power. But how often does that happen? Name one powerful person that does good? Even if you can, name another 3. While naming poweful people who fuck(ed) this planet and everything and everyone it, is prerty easy.

      So, without even discussing the nature of man, the simple observation of what currently is and always was, seems to suffice.

      Also you’re not wrong with your last statement. That is basically what i said. They weren’t truly ever good. We play by the rules until we mustn’t anymore.

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        7 months ago

        I’ve heard the phrase, but that doesn’t make it true. Power attracts bad people and gives them the opportunity to be more bad. This doesn’t mean it turns good people bad.

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          7 months ago

          Then name one person who ever reached true power by being good and then remained good. Maybe you could even name one, but could you name three? Yet the list of people that would rather proove that point is easy to fill to the brim.

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            7 months ago

            Most people who are good don’t make the news, but unironically: MrBeast, Jesus, and Bernie Sanders

            Never thought I’d put any two of those people in the same category lmao

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              Wow, what a combination. But sorry, a youtuber that earns his money by being “good” and is literally living off this “making news” isn’t really counting in my book.

              Jesus… Dunno about some figure that might or might not have existed in this or another way. Hard to argue.

              Sanders… I’m no American so i don’t know enough about the guy, other than that he want the good changes. But who cares, he won’t make it. Good people never get power. That’s the point. You’ll probably end with clown-face-billionaire-pedo again.

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                7 months ago

                Yeah I made this hard mode with my choices lol

                a youtuber that earns his money by being “good” and is literally living off this “making news” isn’t really counting in my book.

                Why not? He’s basically a walking nonprofit organization. He makes videos of spending the money to make more money through ad revenue and merch sales, but that earned money is reinvested into future charity. I wasn’t able to find specifics, but it’s a significant amount (several million, multiple times). Is he also enjoying being a celebrity? Yeah, probably. But that doesn’t mean he’s not both good and powerful.

                Sanders won’t get in power

                I mean, he was fairly close to being the democratic presidential nominee, and he’s a pretty productive government member even now. He’s always had a very clear positive stance on things like gay marriage and other democratic policies, even far back into his early career when those were much less popular.

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                  Sorry, it’s hard to trust someone to be “good” when being good is actually the source of income. If it pays a sociopath to be nice, he’d be nice. Until it stops being beneficial. Doesn’t mean he COULD be nice. I don’t know the guy personally :)

                  Sanders might be nice, and also productive right now. But a look on how incredibly bad the USA looks to the world, i highly doubt he will REALLY do anything. Even if he has good intentions, it sadly doesn’t matter much. Though, everytime I read something about/from him, I always was like “why the fuck don’t they get THIS guy to run this shithole?! why do they want the assclown instead?!”.

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                    7 months ago

                    Why people want Trump in office is just as baffling to us 😔

                    I don’t think it’s fair to discount goodness just because it’s also beneficial to the person doing it. How would you ever be good full-time if it didn’t? Aren’t good politicians doing the same thing? What about the people working for charities that pay them? Anyone inventing something actually useful for the common person while getting a paycheck? You’re restricting “good” to be only charity.