Fuckin’ what? Is this meme 10 years old or what?
I have G533 which are even discontinued from production, they have no real latency.
You clearly haven’t used wireless headphones in last 10 years, have you?
If you use the gamingest headphones with proprietary dongles, you can get decent latency. But then you’re sacrificing on sound quality or ANC, and if you have multiple devices you want to use them with (eg a console and a PC), you have to either physically move the dongle between them, or suffer with Bluetooth lag and connection hassles on one of them.
Bluetooth is still bullshit in terms of latency. It will get better with LE Audio, but whether it will get good enough is anyone’s guess, and it’s still in its infancy and support is almost non-existent.
yeah but if we incorporate Bluetooth in this discussion, then Bluetooth mice and keyboards suck for gaming just as much.
I completely agree with you on that, though. It baffles my mind how, in 2023, in the version 5.2, Bluetooth still sucks so hard in terms of latency.
I wouldn’t consider Audio-Technica anywhere “gaming” related, can be pricey though.
I have a ATH-G1WL (wireless) and ATH-AVA400 (wired) and cannot hear any difference in sound quality what-so-ever, except the 3m cable I have to fiddle with now, which I also have to physically move when changing devices.
Bluetooth also sucks for mice and keyboard, so yeah…
I had an error in my calculations, read comments below for correct math
300ms is for too much latency for my use case. Playing rhythm games. That being said, I don’t see latency being an issue for anything else.
I’ll never understand wireless keyboards. They just sit on the desk? Why go through the hassle of charging it?
You can use the Keyboards cable to charge your phone, when that s full you can go back charging and using the keyboard with cable.
Cables are ugly
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I hate wires in general. Everything that can be wireless IS wireless at my home.
This sounds like absolute hell.
I have a seperate wireless gaming keyboard for couch gaming in front of my tv. It has a purpose
Cause it looks pretty and mine has 3 bt devices that I can switch between and its quite nice. Hoping to switch to a bt mouse as well once mine completely dies.
But BT suuuuucks
It’s perfectly fine for me. I press a key and its there on screen. The latency is hardly noticeable and doesn’t hamper me in any meaningful way.
There’s the latency, and there’s also the unreliable connection, it’s just not as stable as the mice with dedicated dongles. And it’s more vulnerable to interference. Battery life is FAR superior on Bluetooth, though; that’s the main upside.
As said latency wasn’t an issue for me, bluetooth connection is super stable at least on linux, have never noticed interference so far. What was the keyboard did u use?
Latency and stability are different things. Latency is how long keystrokes or mouse movement take to get to your computer. Instability would manifest as INCORRECT or entirely missed keystrokes or mouse movements. Bluetooth is also more vulnerable to interference from things like microwaves, another thing that might cause instability.
Bluetooth keyboards (usually Logitech) have worked okay for me in the past, but they don’t always reliably wake up from sleep and connect quickly when I try to use them. Bluetooth mice are a bigger concern to me, they feel noticed slower and my mouse makes jerky movements. You’ll notice that nearly all gaming mice have a dongle so that you can avoid Bluetooth.
Mate I use a bt kb I obviously know the difference what I said was those issues you mentioned isnt an issue for me. Latency is not noticeable AND it’s stable. I don’t have an microwave next to my pc and other bluetooth devices and wifi doesn’t seem to be an issue either. Mine can be configured to completely disable sleep as well and has 3750 mah so it won’t die easily. I am using fairly new rk84 atm, even if any of the issues develops in the future I can just switch to 2.4 or wired anyway.
Wireless headsets are amazing. It is so nice to just be able to walk away from your desk while still hearing the video you were listening to
The problem with latency is a bluetooth problem. Get one that doesn’t use bluetooth or Infrared and you’re golden. Idk about cheaper ones but my steelseries headphones are amazing with zero latency.
Yeah I’ve got a Logitech that uses a WiFi dongle and never noticed problems.
In fact I’d go as far as say that unlike most mice and in particular all keyboards (which make 0 sense in wireless), wireless headphones are pretty neat. They fix two big issues:
- Getting up in the middle of a call to grab a coffee or so.
- Accidentally yanking wires when swiveling in your chair. You instinctively let go with your hands, so you don’t pull the KB or Mouse, but you don’t always remember to actively take of the headset before you yanked it again.
Wired best because i don’t need to charge it and there is no possibility of signal jamming by operating a microwave.
If operating a microwave interferes with any of your 2.4GHz networks, you need a new microwave.
But then how will he ever join the X-Men?
Nope, my Microwave is older than i am and I’m not going to replace it until it breaks. It works perfectly, not even the light bulb burned through after almost 30 years of semi regular operation.
I don’t have the right to replace something that worked longer than me without it being broken.
It works perfectly
Aside from letting it’s waves get out of the “isolated” cage, you mean.
No Faraday cage is perfect. They are all just attenuators. Likely the amount of microwave leakage allowed used to be greater when it was just safety in mind. Has the FCC updated in 30yr for microwave leakage to protect communications?
And? My fucking W-LAN Router emits the same waves, phones emit the same waves.
The little bit that gets out is absolutely harmless, would be very different if the full 1200W would get out but they don’t. I would have noticed.
A microwave oven uses orders of magnitude more power than those, though. That said, the amount leaking through the Faraday cage is probably minimal. Still worth getting a modern microwave, they have better interfaces and faster cook times than the old ones.
Why did you feel this comment was relevant?
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JBL is expensive garbage…
Cableless is best because there’s no possibility of snagging a cable on something and you can move freely.
Sennheiser GSP 370. I literally cannot tell if the have latency, and being Sennheisers they sound really nice, too.
But this particular pair beats one the big issue I’ve always had with wireless headphones, having to charge them… these have 100 hours of battery life.
I don’t charge them for weeks. And when they do finally complain about low battery, you still have more than enough juice to finish that night of gaming, and one more, before actually plugging them in. Unless you leave them unused for months, or don’t plug them in at the end of the session when they do get low, they are ALWAYS ready to be used.
Difficult to beat Sennheiser on sound and build quality. I have a 30 year old pair of their headphones, still work fine. Currently using the Momentum 4 wireless for gaming, didn’t even consider that there would be any significant delay. 60 hours battery life.
The weird thing about using them for PubG is plugging the USB connection rather than Bluetooth it selects a driver that sounds completely different. Not sure what’s going on there.
Makes me want to try the wireless Sennheiser. I never stuck with the gaming wireless headsets I had gotten because I was not satisfied with the sound quality. I got the 599 I’ve been using, so I do like their headphones.
The low battery noise always made me jump because it was so foreign to me. I would regularly charge them when I just felt like it so hearing that noise always confused me at first. I had to replace the ear cups but just a few months ago the power switch finally broke on me. I still miss it.
A powerswitch seems like it’d be repairable.
The automatic standby on the GSP 370 is so good tho, that I’ve almost never touched the powerbutton after I first turned them on, years ago.
They wake up and go to sleep based on whether they receive audio. I have a keyboard shortcut set to switch between them and the speakers. I hit shift+f10 and put them on. No menus, no power switch, nothing.
Only issue I’ve ever had with wireless headphones is the ear piercing screech they do when the battery is running low
Love my GSP 370s. The low battery warning is just a quite bleep, and the 100 hour battery life means you seldom hear it, and when you do, you still have so much time left that the low battery sound only plays like once an hour once you have less than 10 hours left.
It’s not so much a PLUG ME IN NOW, as a “hey, I gotchu for tonight, but plug me in when ur done”.
I use wireless headphones nearly exclusively now but hate wireless mice and keyboards…
… why?
In my case, I really hate charging the keyboard. My Corsair keyboard stops working when it’s fully charged, what? But it only lasts two days on battery so I’m constantly plugging and unplugging it, turning it on and off (otherwise the cat might drain the entire battery by taking a nap on it)
I might as well have a wired keyboard if I have to charge so often. It barely works from 10 feet away, not like I can game from the couch
The best wireless option is still a dongle, longer range and better latency management. One like logi unifying dongle can connect multiple devices.
5ms Bluetooth latency is quite a few years away. The charging and backup has gotten better recently.
I heard the unifying dongle adds latency, though
The latency has been good for a while. The sound-quality has also caught up recently too with stuff like the Audeze Maxwell
My wireless headphones have a double battery meaning I never have to charge them. My wireless mouse and keyboard are always connected as they run out of battery to fast…
I just prefer cable for those two. For the keyboard cable makes no difference to me. Mice cables have come a long way and a good one is barely noticeable.
Headphones though, I’m never going back to the cord. Both Sony XM and Bose QC work great for me.
I use the Sennheiser Momentum 4 with no latency problems at all.
Although gaming is usually on speakers for me (Edifier) and that’s all cables.
The problem with a personal endorsement is that you never know if it’s actually good or if the person is bad at noticing it.
Ironically, if they were analog wireless, thered be no latency at all
Even cable has latency…
You have a pretty noticeable fidelity drop when going over radio waves, though. Any pro audio devices like wireless microphones or IEMs will go over radio waves, though. Works fine for on stage use but isn’t ideal in other settings.
So basically radio? It would still be limited by the speed of light, you would have nanoseconds (or microseconds?) of latency!
Ten nanoseconds of travel time for every three meters of distance, or roughly one nanosecond per foot.
Wired head phones are also limited by the speed of light
my biggest issue with (my specific) wireless headphones is that the sound is shit when i am also using the mic. other than that, theyre fine
audio quality too, man the difference that I have experienced is night and day between my 80$ DUNU Titan S IEM and the 200$ Razer Opus 2021, the Opus is now mostly sitting collecting dust
Go watch Crinacle:)
As long as you use headphones and a bluetooth adapter that both support APTX LL (low-latency), it’s instantaneous for me. Same as using it wired.
As a gamer and (almost) audiophile, any solution besides wired is just dancing around tradeoffs to get a worse result for more money. I’ll stick with my cord.
Tbh I just get jelous when my discord buds go take a piss or Cook some food and keep talking while im tethered to a 3m or so semi circle around my desk
I just join the call on my phone when I step away from my desktop
Is it any different vs headphones working via WiFi?
EXTRA WORK!
