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NTSB: Boeing “unable to find the records documenting” repair work on 737 Max 9.
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I’ll take “Obvious Cover-ups” for $500, Alex.
Who had “Boeing leverages their too-big-to-fail status to cover up gross negligence and murder” on their worst timeline bingo card?
Goddamnit! I had Lockheed for murder and Raytheon for gross negligence
You should have had those the other way around anyway, since Raytheon does a lot of the US missile work.
That’s why it wouldn’t be a scandal for them
It’s not like I thought Boeing were one of the “good guys,” but this is all blowing my mind.
Pretty terrifying Doc on NF about Boeing called Downfall: The Case Against Boeing
We could eliminate 90% of air travel if business people could use zoom and email.
So if you don’t have any records then you can’t prove it was done properly and the assumption should be on the fault of Boeing.
Not how it works. They are innocent until proven beyond a reasonable doubt, that they are guilty. Not having a recording doesn’t make them guilty. The recording itself though, probably would.
But that isn’t the case here. The FAA is very clear, you must have the documents or you are in the wrong. That is it. You are only innocent by having the documents. To pass off a plane are good but not have its documents very clearly puts them guilty. There is no gray area here. The FAA and NTSB are very clear about this and who is at fault. When planes change hands or get work done, everything must be documented or it never happened. To then sell a plane and claim it was up to any spec, but without it being documented, then it isn’t up to spec.
The only way to prove they are innocent is to have those documents. The documents were audited, they didn’t have them, so they are being charged. They have been shown beyond any reasonable doubt that they did not have the required documents, otherwise there would have been no charges. The only way to prove their innocents is to show the documents that they failed to show in the audit, that they didn’t have, that lead to the charges. The reasonable doubt was already established when they failed the audit.
People who say “innocent until proven guilty” have never had to work in a regulated industry. You have to have all your licenses and documentation available for inspection at all times.
Even barbers and restaurants have these requirements. No, you can’t just say “it’s around here somewhere”. You need to know where it is.
Same with daycare. When we were looking up daycare centers they all had issues on the dcfs website. Almost all of them were for the same paperwork issues.
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The default assumption is that they didn’t do something, and there’s no evidence that they did the thing.
They are guilty of not keeping aircraft maintenance records for one year, which is the law.
The doubt is sounding quite reasonable.
Nationalize Boeing
That’s not their way, you must respect local culture.
The way over there is to give big moneys to Boeing, in this case ‘for quality assurance’, but pretend to forget to attach meaningful strings. Then Boeing must use all of that money for stock buybacks, as custom dictates. Anything other than that would be considered impolite. As a further sign of respect and gratitude Boeing can also fire a few % of their workforce.
As is tradition.
Boeing murdered the whistleblower!
That’s why they had to kill the whistle blower, he knew where the video was
He was in the middle of the testimony when he died. That is a more likely reason.
He quit Boeing long before the accident aircraft was built and delivered to the airline, let alone repaired.
Obviously he was saving the really damning info for after they suicided him.
Woopsie!
South Park “we’re sorry” image goes here
I can’t speak for their specific regulations, but setting that data retention to only 24 hours because you don’t want to have evidence of culpability stored for a long time is a good way to go.
As someone who works in aircraft maintenance, I am actually shocked by this. Forget the video footage, that’s just a cheap-assed commercial camera somewhere in the rafters. But the paperwork?
As a repair station, we have to document every single step of every single task. If a mechanic does it, he signs that he has done it and an inspector checks and countersigns that he has done it correctly. For a single aircraft input, this is upwards of 50,000 signed task steps. We have to hand all that data to the customer when it is complete, and also keep it for a minimum of 7 years for most stuff, some things in perpetuity.
If Boeing couldn’t provide the exact names and dates involved within a 5 minute search, then someone has already found it and destroyed it.
When does the FAA start grounding 737’s or all Boeing planes?
Boeing is collapsing from internal rot, really sad to see
No, no, no - its their planes that do that.
The company is considered successful only by this one metric apparently:
Well, Boeing does suck compared to the market in their one metric, too
Their stock is basically moving sideways since the extreme low at the start of the pandemic and the stock is basically going down since the 737 MAX grounding in March 2019. Boeing is in crisis mode for 5 years nowYes, this is true.
But full on crisis management, faulty products, and a major new problem and/or incident every year would make you think its not 100 billion company anymore.
Not sad at all. Fuck the war crime industrial complex.
And they’ll get away with it because they’ve got a serious amount of lobbying power.
CCTV cameras have a surprisingly short recording time before they record over themselves. With cheap disk storage, you’d think they could record for weeks and weeks before overwriting.
For large corporations, keeping recordings for a long period is common.
I was at Sprint retail back in 2010 when information was leaked by a coworker at my retail store. The internal security team that came to the store less than a week after the leak, had recordings from the cameras 6 months prior that they were referencing when talking to all of us.
A small business may only be keeping camera recordings for maybe a month on a local DVR, but a corporation with their own data centers are going to keep those a lot longer. ESPECIALLY a government contractor where the logging requirements are much more stringent.
There is even a line of hard drives specifically made cheap and dense for security footage.
I will never fly again. Never. Fuck flying. We were never meant to be in the air, comment if you are with me!
Dealing with airports and flying is a miserable experience but is unfortunately the best way overall to travel overseas/very long distances (obviously highly dependent on where in the world you are located/where you are traveling to). I avoid flying except for maybe a trip every five years where there really isn’t another viable alternative. High ticket costs, crowded aitports, TSA, all the waiting with delays in boarding, taxi’ing, de-boarding etc. really just make the juice not worth the squeeze for me.
Just fly Airbus. Or Embraer. Or Bombardier. It’s still safer than driving by far.
I fully agree with you, you should not fly, since that means there will be one less person to deal with in the airport / on the plane.
Aye, I’m taking my next weekend trip from NY to Cali via car. Or by boat the kmking way around. Fuck planes!
