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    Germany and ping ponging between proprietary and free software every 2 years, name a better duo

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      It is like… Each time we showed how well you can live with open source, Microsoft comes around with an even bigger coffin of lobby money.

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        The worst thing in that is the amount of money and human time it must take just to migrate everything. People only looking at the bottom line is the bane of IT…

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            What I mean is that these kinds of people usually look at the financial cost per year for a given solution that’s already in place and always look for something cheaper (usually only on paper).

            Usually they look at the cost of a licence without giving a single thought about, let’s say, the processing power that’ll be needed for the new thing, the expertise to set it up and run it, and all the migration work that will be needed to make the switch.

            Also, when these things happen, most of the time you have to fire/hire/train people to adapt, which means you lose some of your internal knowledge and experience. That’s something that can’t be really quantified and can really hurt an IT system.

            In the end, with all the cumulative costs, it’s often far more expensive to switch solutions, and not financially speaking, but that doesn’t necessarily appear on the bottom line they will see from their desks.

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        It’s not just lobbying. The expertise to build and certify what Microsoft did for government cloud is expensive and rare. Open source still needs a third party to provide that level of support, because the documentation is more important than the technical capabilities.

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            Tech corpo shills hate the idea of government going open source. Think of all that investment into your competition that is known to be the better approach.

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          This is a valid mention and I agree, but I also have to say that there are companies like the nextcloud corp itself who do offer that level of expertise and are German based and would use the money to improve nextcloud, which is open source, whereas we don’t know how much of the money that Microsoft takes goes into the open source project.

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          Thing is the authorities are told to use their own IT hoster. This dumbsack just - again - took money from extern.

          It was also, internally, conducted that a third party governing an open-source stack ia cheaper then redmond.

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          It’s possible and not so hard, just too boring for people to do automatically (EDIT: I meant - as part of usual work), and also bureaucrats have a very different MO, one that you need a commercial company infected by that culture for.

          Also governments steal money. It’s obvious they do. Both in legal ways, when some secretary has salary disproportional to the work they are doing and the need for it at all, and in illegal ones (just for the fun of it).

          It’s about power and dealing with people of their culture.

          The state is interested in less dependence from big corps, but its officials are interested in more dependence, because that means huge contracts with little transparency and lots of time to hide things that don’t look nice.

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          Microsoft doesn’t have a monopoly on Software. At least, not any more. Open Source is the way to go, and there are plenty of Open Source consulting firms out there. Red Hat, Nextcloud, Redpill Linpro, etc.

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            They have a near monopoly on compliance though which is the draw of government cloud. It’s a totally different product from their commercial offerings. The software portion isn’t really a factor, it’s the paperwork and audit results.

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          Microsoft is a bunch of corporate fascist cunts just like the rest of the silicon valley and those fuckers should all die out. Sadly they won’t. Thank you fucking traitor scum Scholz for showing your true shitface once more. Greetings from CumEx

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    Sovereignity by ditching open source software for a proprietary solution made by a US company? How depraved is our dear Bundeskanzler?! The source code of each software update will be made available to the German service provider. Does Scholz really expect someone checking it thoroughly, each time?

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      Sovereignity by ditching open source software for a proprietary solution made by a US company?

      SAP is German.

      Does Scholz really expect someone checking it thoroughly, each time?

      Let’s not pretend that people do this with open source software either. Especially obfuscated mechanisms might not even be seen by the few people who do check it.

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        Probably referring to Microsoft. That’s the one of the two with all the cloud experience

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        I’m aware you can intentionally try to make source code unreadable and making open source software effectively proprietary but I do not know of any examples of people doing that. Do you?

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          They meant backdoors hidden in plain sight, so making it readable, but (EDIT: seemingly) innocent. People do that.

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        People notice the oddest things, look at the xz malware incident. All because some guy figured a decompression subroutine in his software was taking a bit longer than expected.

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    Seems SAP’s investment in good arguments pays off.

    OTOH Europe and Germany have obvious problems in the cloud sector: They cannot do it on their own and thus are depending on either the USA or other countries who have the know-how.

    Not a situation you want to find yourself in, when IT is the backbone which keeps everything running.

    Luckily German government’s investment in paper, floppy drives and fax machines makes it secure against attacks towards IT infrastructure… ;-)

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    𝕯𝖎𝖊𝖘𝖊 𝕶𝖔𝖒𝖒𝖊𝖓𝖙𝖆𝖗𝖘𝖊𝖐𝖙𝖎𝖔𝖓 𝖎𝖘𝖙 𝖓𝖚𝖓 𝕰𝖎𝖌𝖊𝖓𝖙𝖚𝖒 𝖉𝖊𝖗 𝕭𝖚𝖓𝖉𝖊𝖘𝖗𝖊𝖕𝖚𝖇𝖑𝖎𝖐 𝕯𝖊𝖚𝖙𝖘𝖈𝖍𝖑𝖆𝖓𝖉

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      Isn’t it Kommentärsektion? Not a German, so just asking

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        Kommentar ist die Schreibweise aus dem Duden, es ist kein ä enthalten. Auch in Verbindung mit Sektion wird dort kein ä hinzugefügt.

        Mir ist generell kein Wort bekannt, bei dem sich ein a zu ä, o zu ö oder u zu ü ändert, wenn es mit einem anderen Wort kombiniert wird.

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            Das kommt tatsächlich vor. Zum Beispiel Horn wird zu Hörner. Kommentar wird aber zu Kommentare und Kommentarsektion wird zu Kommentarsektionen.

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          Mir ist generell kein Wort bekannt, bei dem sich ein a zu ä, o zu ö oder u zu ü ändert, wenn es mit einem anderen Wort kombiniert wird.

          Nach Gold graben -> Goldgräber sein.

          Wobei hast schon recht der Umlaut kommt nicht durch die Zusammensetzung zustande sondern durch die Nominalisierung von “graben”. Ansonsten kommen Umlaute noch bei der Steigerung von Adjektiven vor (alt, älter), sowie Pluralbildungen (Gans, Gänse) und beim Präsens vieler starker Verben und auch der Konjunktiv ist mit Umlauten durchsetzt und das war’s dann glaub ich auch schon.