• SamiA
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    4 months ago

    In case you missed that it’s Peterson or are just not aware of him, he’s a man that based an entire “career” in the spotlight on not respecting people’s requests to be labeled correctly at the cost of his actual career and sanity.

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      Ok, if this person has trouble respecting others, we don’t demonstrate basic respect for their human rights? Doesn’t that imply the thing we want everyone to do as a basic aspect of their humanity is optional if we can turn it off when inconvenient?

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        Not when that person is a bad faith actor. He’s not asking not to be called cisgender because it somehow relates to his identity but because he’s promoting a certain worldview. He is the first to say that words have immutable meaning and is educated enough to know what the cis and trans prefixes mean and how they are not exclusive to gender.

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          If we wont respect people’s labels / triggers then we can’t expect others to respect ours.

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            He’s not upset that he’s being labeled as cisgender, he’s upset that the labels cisgender and transgender exist in the first place. He actually knows what the word means, that it’s not an insult, and that it accurately describes him. He’s acting insulted specifically to spread the idea that the word cisgender is an insult. He’s doing this to push back against our society normalizing the concepts of transgender and cisgender. If he was only upset about himself being called that, I would agree with you that we should just accept his odd preference and move one, but he’s actively working against anyone being called cisgender or transgender. That’s the problem and that’s why people are not being tolerant of his label preferences.

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        Respect is a two way street. It’s a contract between people. If someone threatens you, as in his tweet, he doesn’t get to have respect. If someone is “just asking questions” like you are… You don’t get to have respect.

        • Isn’t it strange that your questions seem to only go on one direction?
        • Why aren’t you asking questions of JP?
        • Why does he not want to be called cisgendered when that’s what he is?
        • Is it because removing the prefix “cis” makes it easier to alienate trans people?
        • Why are you suddenly obsessed with respecting other people’s “chosen” labels?
        • Do you think “cis” and “trans” are a choice?
        • Have you supported queer peoples labels in the past?
        • Why do you only take on the position of “let’s respect other people’s basic humanity” when defending heinous right wing grifters?
        • When have you defended the basic humanity of minorities in the past?
        • Why do you demand your one sided leading questions be answered in a meaningful way but there isn’t a chance in hell you’ll answer these ones meaningfully?
        • Why aren’t you pointing out that a grown ass man, brain damaged or otherwise, threatening strangers on the internet isn’t respectful behaviour?
        • Why do you think disrespectful behaviour should be met with respect?
        • Would you respect someone threatening to assault you?
        • Would you respect someone entering your home?
        • Why are you such a coward? when someone threatens you shouldn’t you defend yourself?

        It’s so easy to look like you aren’t an absolutely garbage human being under the guise of “just asking questions”, but people are waking up to your bullshit right wing technique. In the words of innuendo studio

        And because these folks keep showing up in each others’ metadata, regardless of what they say, Google thinks there is definitely a relationship between the guy “just asking questions” and the guy denying the Holocaust

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P55t6eryY3g

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          What your saying means these are not basic human rights, if you can abandon them when you get angry. Your letting some online outrage personality bait you down to their level and wrestle in the mud.

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            I’m not sure what part of respect and tolerance are a social contract is confusing to you. No it’s not a basic human right. If you spout off hateful rhetoric you can’t expect everyone “respect” you after. If you threaten to assault, or assault people, you can’t expect to be treated non-violently after.

            When the fuck was it a “basic human right” to be treated with respect even though you’re a raging violent asshole. Last I checked violence is met with the violence required to make you stop, then usually by further punishment.