A mother of two has been left paraplegic after being shot by Iranian police over an alleged violation of the country’s strict hijab rules, a source with knowledge of the case has told the BBC.
“She is paralysed from the waist down, and doctors have said it will take months to determine whether she will be permanently paraplegic or not.”
Arezoo Badri, 31, was driving home with her sister in the northern city of Noor on 22 July when police attempted to pull her over to confiscate her car.
The driver did not comply with the order to stop, prompting the officers to shoot, the police commander in Noor told Iran’s state-run news agency, without naming Ms Badri.
The incident comes after Iranian police announced a clampdown on women defying the nation’s compulsory dress code.
Conservatism is a global plague of oppression and death. There is no place for hate-based ideologies like conservatism in a modern civilization.
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Literally, yes.
Here’s a great mini comic that explains that paradox I picked up a while ago:
Funniest part of this is that I have seen many fascists use this to claim that their opposition is the intolerant ones, while others say that kicking out any group is going to provoke them to be ultra violent so they need to let them do as they please…
Unless that group is antifa. They want the machine guns on them.
I don’t think this comic explains it well. I don’t like the “it is a paradox but we just have to make an exception” approach. A better solution to the paradox of tolerance is to explain that it isn’t a paradox at all, that tolerance is a contract, not an absolute rule. A tolerant society agrees to tolerate you so long as you tolerate others, and if you violate the contract you lose its’ protection.
Nothing ‘conservative’ about it
Every word uttered by a conservative is deception or manipulation. Every word.
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This is the definition of conservative.
They’re enforcing a rule that’s over 1000 years old on penalty of death. And the rule makes no logical sense.
It hurts to think about the timelines that could have been.
I hate every religion.
they’re a fucking plague. every single fucking one.
we’re plenty capable of sucking without them, but they make everything else.
they still had the same religion. the US bringing down a democratically elected government to install their own puppet resulted in a far right revolution. you give people enough grievances, fascism will take hold. this is america’s doing.
The revolution was originally broadly based. But the fundamentalist church had deep local roots while the progressive reformers still held ties to Western industry and finance.
When the US started imposing harsh sanctions on Iran, in response to the revolt, we bankrupted the liberals and left power to the hands of conservative nationalists.
We achieved similar results in Cuba, Venezuela, Vietnam, and North Korea. By dropping the economic hammer on the most moderate people in the region, we forced the country’s leadership towards the extremes.
yeah i severely summarized the situation. maybe not a very good exercise but i really didn’t feel the energy to convince someone why coups on democratically elected governments by outside forces are bad.
thank you for expanding a bit on that.
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Yeah, politics affects every aspect of our lives, that’s why it’s so important.
you’re blaming it on something that didn’t change in that time, I’m blaming it on something that did.
It has nothing to do with religion. Read up on Project Ajax. The modern theocracy of Iran is a direct consequence of British and CIA undermining the democratic government of Iran and installing a puppet dictator.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'état?wprov=sfla1
Or simply oppressive governments and religions are fundamentally the same
They are concerningly close this electoral season
Theocracy
Huh. Nothing to do woth religion…
Iran was screwed over by the US and UK. The theocracy is the result.
Everybody loves that picture of kids in nice 70s outfits living a cloistered upper class existence under a brutal dictatorship.
Nobody really likes posting the pictures of rioting and police brutality happening during the same time.
That’s a pretty good reminder, thanks.
More shit British and American Imperialism fucked up.
Meanwhile next door Iraq is attempting to lower the marriage age to 9.
Yeah fuck religion.
That’s because of religion?!
The Islamic prophet Muhammad married a 9-year-old girl. Since he was holy, or whatever, he waited until she was 10 to fuck her.
Close, but incorrect.
The prophet Muhammad married his wife Aisha when she was 6 years old.
He started raping her when she was 9. They call it “consummation”.
Was Muhammad the first to make the 69 joke then?
Nice, inshallah.
Found the pedophile.
Was it Muhammad?
Narrator: It was.
Yeesh. The past, ladies and gentlemen. I prefer when people leave it way back then.
What a guy!
hey lets not get specifically islamophobic. every single horrible thing the worst muslims are trying to do over there, the worst christians are doing over here. every. single. fucking. one.
and the worst muslims aren’t even jacking it to the apocalypse.
That doesn’t make it right, it’s Whataboutism
no but that’s the thing, I see a lot on the internet “religion bad!” (true) turning into “muslims bad!” and letting at-least-as-bad offenders off the hook. that’s the part that bugs me.
the christians are doing THIS EXACT SAME SHIT in american cities. I walked past the aftermath of some shit like this happening multiple times in my life. it doesn’t even make the news most of the time.
so yes, they’re monsters, stop them. but lets not SINGLE THEM OUT and let the OTHER, POTENTIALLY WORSE monsters off the hook.
edit: also, islamophobia in the anglosphere is rarely used to reduce the outrageous horrors of religion, and always used to fuck up marginalized people, so I’m always skeptical of it being a genuine criticism of religion.
This entire post is about a woman that was shot and paralyzed for not wearing a hijab. Stop deflecting. It’s absolutely fair to criticize bad things done in the name of Islam. Feel free to create a separate post about bad things done in the name of Christianity, I’m sure you’ll have no issue finding numerous examples. But stop distracting from the oppressive environment women find themselves in in modern day Iran.
all of those religions are intensely misogynist. that’s just the islam flavor abrahamic atrocity. the christian flavor has her dying of ectopic pregnancy after being raped at age 7.
this is a problem that includes islam, but is not specifically an islam problem. they all fucking do this, and whenever people JUST talk about islam, it always victimizes the least bad muslims, refugees, and vulnerable brown people WHO AREN’T EVEN MUSLIMS, and never, NEVER fixes it, never, NEVER goes after the worst hypermisogynist pedophile pieces of shit petpetuating the atrocities. so when I see people focused on this fucking 2000s era throwback islamophobia it NEVER ends in ‘we must protect people’ it NEVER ends in ‘we must end the evils of religion’, it ALWAYS ends in the ‘war of civilizations’ bullshit that has people who live in my fucking neighborhood defending zionists rioting for their right to rape their victims, because most of their victims are muslim. that has people who live in my fucking neighborhood talking about exterminating the brutes and death camps and hey, who else can we put in those, maybe queers? maybe queers. (they don’t say ‘queers’).
its why I can’t take any criticism of ISLAM IN PARTICULAR (edit:unless its inclusive of the rest of that group of mind-plagues) seriously. because everything shitty muslims do, shitty christians do just as bad, plus some other crap. hell, a lot of times, their organization names ARE EVEN DIRECT FUCKING TRANSLATIONS OF EACH OTHER. it’s just racism. as bad as I think these fuckers are, you’re not on the same team as me. you just want an excuse to be racist, and I don’t believe you actually give a shit about the victim, she’s just an excuse too. please don’t bring rage against religion into it if you only care about this shit when a religion you mostly associate with brown people does it. its like when qanon started talking about ‘human trafficking’.
hey lets not get specifically islamophobic.
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and the worst muslims aren’t even jacking it to the apocalypse.
Part of the problem is the desire to single out the worst single instances of a given group and use them as emblematic of a whole. I honestly wonder how many folks on this board actually know a person of Muslim faith. And I have got to wonder what kind of weird, gross, vulgar shit they say in casual conversation.
Imagine sitting across from someone at the office with a big “You’re a blood-drenched terrorist by association and I hope the police drag you off to a black site to be tortured and killed” banner over their cubicle. Showing up every day and having people whispering that you’re a pedophile and a genocidal lunatic, because they’ve been passing around “Top 10 things to know about the butcher prophet Muhammad”. Then flipping on the news and hearing about how a city in your native country was bombed to rubble or a notable politician from your country was assassinated in cold blood, while folks on the news laugh about it and say “They must have had it coming because they’re Muslims”.
Absolutely fucking barbaric way to behave towards anyone, and yet this is how white westerners seem to treat their Muslim neighbors by reflex.
yep! the thing is, it isn’t about hostility to religion in general, which, like, I could get, those ‘islamic state’ fuckers (and their christian counterparts currently red teaming the united states political system, who are worse and want to end the world and have been infiltrating the military that has nuclear weapons for decades) ARE (at least broadly) blood drenched vicious monsters who should all be killed. no need to be a dick about it, shouldn’t treat the moderates the same way as the fanatics, but, like, everything bad about islam, except possibly the ‘no drinking’ thing, the worst christians ALSO DO.
like, every single bad thing they SAY about muslims also applies to these other people who maybe even live nextdoor. literally all of it (I’ve never heard about ‘those damn teatotaling muslins, be’in all diaphanous and sober and pulling out a compass before they pray’), so clearly that’s not what their actual fucking problem with it is. its not even that its barbaric behavior; it’s that its fucking dishonest barbaric behavior.
Well no it’s because they’re monsters. They’re just using religion as a cover story.
Fuck the morality police.
Isn’t that supposed to be us? I feel pretty morally superior to those guys.
Dope “police” too. Same nonsense.
This is so sad and should not have happened
Yes makes sense, shooting people for not wearing cloth over their face.
You know, if we are going back to medieval times, can we bring out stuff like guillotines? I got a few smelly Iranian leaders I want to play with.
It’s not just medieval. Sargon of Akkad started instituting that shit millennia ago. It is embedded in the region and has infected a good chunk of the world. Islam is just one vector; ancient greeks passed the same patriarchal idea of women’s behaviour determining male honour into christianity too.
that entire family of religions is an urgent civilizational problems, gotta get rid of that shit.
According to the article police opened fire at the car because she refused to stop when they tried to pull the car over. Which is just as unacceptable (to my European mind it’s ridiculous police carry firearms), but contrary to the title there is no indication what she was wearing had anything to do with it. In fact the article says her windows were tinted so the police couldn’t know what she was wearing.
What would humanity be without religion?
Probably a lot better off
definitely better off, the magnitude is the only question.
More honest. Could possibly be a disaster.
“don’t blame me, did you see how she was dressed?!”
I don’t know if I’m mentally strong enough to be a paraplegic.
Nobody is until it happens
So many things in my life would become sooo much shittier though. Like playing with my kids, riding a bike, all the sports I do, fixing things around the home… sex… 🫣 I’m so scared of having a broken body.
*Iranian police
cops is cops is cops is cops. they’re all bastards. do we really think the iranian ones are meaningfully different guys than the american ones? than the chinese ones?
I think if you stripped them of superficial cultural signifiers, they would be indistinguishable.
Police in the US:
I don’t get it 🙂
“What is this? A cross-over episode?”
Aaaaahhh what he sayyssss hahaha I didn’t know this bojack meme heh
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Just to remind ourselves that this woman is paraplegic because the US had to send in the CIA to orchestrate a coup in order to remove its democratically elected president and put a fundamentalist religious nutcase Shah in power that was more friendly to the US, which like all CIA ventures, failed miserably and he ended up being overthrown by worse religious nutcases shortly after, which is regarded as a direct consequence of US involvement.
Thank you US, for our daily misery all across the world, but especially for turning the middle east into the misery it is today. We will remember it all throughout the likely war between Iran and Israel that the democratically elected governments of the US purposefully worked towards for the last 50 years, by both directly destabilizing Iran and by arming and funding Israel and the Palestinian apartheid and genocide.
I just wonder how much worse the world has to become until the US just stops “helping”.
You seem confused. The Shah was a relatively secular liberal. He was overthrown by the fundies who are in power now.
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yeah the person you’re replying to is sorta wrong, but also not
see, the CIA helped him hunt down and murder all the left opposition, both genuinely good and well intentioned puppets of moscow, so when his horrible shit finally pushed the people past their breaking point, the only people with any level of organization to create a new regime were THESE FUCKS. the CIA knew this was a risk, and SHOULD have known this was inevitable, after the shit they pulled.
and the shah was their puppet, put in after they took out the previously extant democracy. so saying the cia didn’t do this is like saying I didn’t break the delicate glass flower I threw at a wall.
The tried and true bot everything bad because USA … do you argue that things would be fundamentally better or worse today if the USA had never been involved? Half these commie ML troll bots on the internet keep spitting out the same old crap. Profit bad. Bad. Bad. They ignore the fact that a woman got shot for wearing a head scarf. You going to blame that on the USA? Get out of here with that crap.
I’m not a communist. I don’t agree with communism. I’m European. We hate communism. I joined ML because people said it doesn’t matter what instance you join in the tutorials but mentioned one should avoid lemmy.world because it was oversaturated with reddit refugees and lemmy.ml was at the top. I never knew there was this much instance bigotry and tribalism on lemmy, but i am honestly apalled by this culture. That’s the only reason. My post history is public, go read if you see anything about communism, bot propaganda activity or whatever strawmen you’re building there because your arguments are insufficient.
And yes, things in the middle east would have been considerably better without CIA interventions. Americans want to wash their hands off it because what, it happened 50 years ago, when it was proven in 2020 by dna of a US green beret the US had special forces try the same in Venezuela ?
Look at Afghanistan right now, it would have been leagues better if the US hadn’t been there for 20 years. Now it’s under the US (previously, when known as Mujahideen) funded taliban. If you know your history, none of this should come as a surprise. But yeah, it was the headscarf and profit and America bad for sure. Everything but taking responsibility for what the US is still doing right now. I’m not anti American culture and people or even economic doctrine, I’m anti policy. Creating an implication between capitalism and instigating officially unsanctioned political destabilization of foreign governments is an intellectually lazy and dishonest argument.
What the CIA has done and is doing is wrong and brought us here, and it’s acting vastly with impunity and being excused by people like you. I’m not against you. I’m against people giving the place you live in a bad name with your taxes. Acting all defensive and petulant like I’m attacking your culture personally is just silly, when you know many patriotic Americans would agree with my criticism of the actions of the CIA and military interventions overseas.
My tone was a bit over the top and I generalized regarding instances. For that I will apologize.
The USA is an “easy target” because it’s incredibly active in the world stage. Very few nations have the resources available to it to do what the USA is capable of doing. With that said this is the classic man in the arena argument – the USA is most certainly in the arena and there are good and bad things that come with it. I believe your argument to be reductionist at best – USA bad because XYZ. There’s a whole hell of a lot more to it than that. So you’ve mentioned Iran, Iraq, and Afghanistan. What about long, successful alliances between USA with Jordan, Egypt, Israel (hot button I know), and Saudi Arabia.
The struggle in the region today is very much Iran and Saudi Arabia throwing their weight around and many groups of people are caught in the middle. USA included. Israel was on a path to discuss normalization of relations with Saudi Arabia and suddenly that is not a thing anymore. Hrm. Convenient. Wonder why?
Things are not as simple as you make it out to be. It takes two to tango.
Alright, thank you for explaining your opinion to me. You’re right, while i still maintain my position that i disagree with US policy in this regard, i do recognize that a lot of those countries’ actions also contributed to the current situation.
And i also recognize that when criticism arises in Lemmy, in particular from certain Lemmy instances, there is a lot of propaganda and anti American sentiment, which i also find grating. Nevertheless I’d like to clarify that I’m not anti American and i do not think America is bad. I consider this statement reductionist of the entire combined work of 330 million people, as you said, and i would like to clarify that i meant that this specific course of action in this circumstance is bad, not the country, nor the people of the US.
This criticism does not mean to disqualify the US of praise where praise is otherwise due, of course, although i would not agree that the outcomes of Israel relations were positive, but that is another matter altogether that i think would escape the purview of the criticism of CIA actions.
I apologize for expressing myself in such a black and white way and I’ll try to be more mindful of reminding myself of expressing more nuance in future comments and be clearer of who and what specifically i am criticizing.
You were the polite one and I was the rude one. No need for you to apologize.
Appreciate the discussion. Hopefully the world we leave is a better place than when we were born into it.
also, they helped him torture and kill and dismantle all the left opposition, all the organized good guys or well intentioned assholes who wanted him out, so it was only THESE FUCKS left when the people finally broke.
the fucking source of all fascism is the american empire.
US police have gunned down 48 women last year and 37 so far this year so they’re just sharing their love of murdering people with police around the world
We better make sure this reporter don’t shoot themselves in the head…twice.
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Ehhhh.
Iran: Woman left paraplegic after being shot by police over hijab
Okay, that sounds pretty unequivocal.
Arezoo Badri, 31, was driving home with her sister in the northern city of Noor on 22 July when police attempted to pull her over to confiscate her car.
The driver did not comply with the order to stop, prompting the officers to shoot, the police commander in Noor told Iran’s state-run news agency, without naming Ms Badri.
It is unclear whether Ms Badri was wearing a headscarf when she was stopped by police, but her car had a confiscation notice against it - suggesting multiple alleged violations of the hijab law.
So it’s possible, albeit not known, that she had previously violated the hijab law. And that’s why they were pulling her over.
But that’s not why they shot at her. She got shot because she didn’t stop the vehicle.
Like, you could say “shot for refusing to stop”, and I’d agree with that. Maybe someone would find that unreasonable as a matter of police procedure. I don’t know what the legal standards are for use-of-force in Iran. In the US, I’m reasonably sure that that’d violate law enforcement protocol in most states. A police officer can’t use deadly force just for not following an order; there are situations where it is possible to do so.
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Yeah:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleeing_felon_rule
Under U.S. law the fleeing felon rule was limited in 1985 to non-lethal force in most cases by Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1. The justices held that deadly force “may not be used unless necessary to prevent the escape and the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious bodily harm to the officer or others.”[2]
A police officer may not seize an unarmed, nondangerous suspect by shooting him dead…however…Where the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a threat of serious physical harm, either to the officer or to others, it is not constitutionally unreasonable to prevent escape by using deadly force.
— Justice Byron White, Tennessee v. Garner[3]
If a suspect drives a car at an officer, the car is considered to be a deadly weapon, and it’s okay for police to use deadly force then.
But my guess is that just a refusal to stop, without some additional circumstances, wouldn’t result in authorization to use deadly force anywhere in the present-day US.
I can imagine someone saying that they think that Iran’s use-of-deadly-force law should be more-restrictive.
But I don’t think that this is reasonable to reduce this to “shot by police over hijab”.
Women have been beaten to death by police before for violating hijab law, I don’t blame her for not stopping.
Yeah if she had already been warned, there’s good reason she might have feared for her life if she stopped.
Fucked either way
I think the idea is the misleading title is classic of western propaganda to incite hate and iranphobia. They do the same for all middle Eastern countries. You might not see it, but it is clear as day for people who live there.
Did the same with Libya, Iraq, Sudan before the split and leaders dying but nothing after. It is these small inaccuracies in the title that keep building up.
It’s true that in the situation and country, this is equivalent to someone fleeing a traffic stop when they remember they have warrants. Authority figure gonna do what they’re enlisted to do, because it’s their perogative and their “duty” (and I mean duty in the sense of being bound to their personal theology)
But yet, would either of those situations would cause said authority to use deadly force? Of course not.
Iran is a back asswards country. The US is shit in its own ways as well, I won’t refute, it’s a mess. But Iran has to literally be babysat by larger economic powers around the clock to keep them from cooking up doomsday doodads.
Getting this bent out of shape over women wanted to drive, get a proper education, vote, or fucking not wearing a piece of cloth, just furthers the sentiment that somewhere along the male Iranian genealogy some chromosomes got lost.
(Side note, I don’t reread these so I apologize if anything sounds purposefully directed at specific groups. I harbor no hate towards the Iranian peoples, all hate is meant to be interpreted to whatever zealots churn up all this religious hoo-hah)
