Windows 11 has changed this, many many people now warn other people about not using Windows 11 because it is such shit. Doesn’t matter what you run, just don’t run Windows 11.
windows 11 isn’ all bad. It made my mother ask me to install linux on her computer.
No one outside of tech communities does that
Even the people I know that are otherwise relatively tech savvy don’t do this.
Not to say it’s a good operating system, though.
That happened with Windows 8 and Vista as well. There was a running joke that every other Windows release was garbage when I was growing up.
That happened with Windows 8 and Vista as well. There was a running joke that every other Windows release was garbage when I was growing up.
And the joke works with 8 and 10 both being shitty, because they skipped 9, which would have been the good one.
They really should have gone with Windows Nine, to bring the naming scheme in line with Xbox One while also avoiding the
startswith.('Windows 9')issueI actually really liked both windows 8 and Vista too.
8 was slimmed down and optimized vs 7. Bootup time on my HDD equipped machine halved, performance was better, and the search was so good I never actually saw the start menu because I’d just blindly hit enter and it opened what I wanted.
Vista had a rough start because they basically had to start fresh with drivers. But I bought a nice new machine about a year after it came out and it ran it flawlessly. Aero looked (and still looks) so cool, and XP was just a crusty old OS by then, let alone 2014 when it finally lost support.
Aero looked (and still looks) so cool
Oof. Hard disagree.
You will need to after Oct 2025 unless you want Linux or Mac OS
I literally can’t install Windows 11 on my current computer lol. I know there are workarounds for it but I don’t feel comfortable doing that for my primary computer.
I gotta be honest, I actually really like windows 11.
Recall is awful and I hope enough pressure keeps it away (or at least as something you have to manually turn on). But besides that it’s mostly just windows 10 but better. I get better battery life, better performance, I actually mostly like the UI changes etc.
Also does nobody remember all of the hate for 10 when it first came out?
Unusable on a hard drive, would just freeze while scanning all your files. Wouldn’t let you turn it off
Hey, whats so bad about w11?
Obsoleting a lot of relatively recent fast hardware means people are either faced with a fuck off or complicated work arounds. Then there is forcing people to log in with their MS email account which they may not have or want or again forcing people into complicated work arounds. The implicit privacy issues of recall if it was rolled out as planned.
Ads in the windows UI both exiting and planned. The fact that they have discussed the idea of making Windows a monthly/annual fee.
Then the carry overs from 10 The fact that the start menu search is less useful than any linux DE or windows XP Re-enabling crap that people disabled on purpose Certain kinds of links opening in Edge even if people use chrome
Wait i have w11 in my laptop… i dont have a windows account sign in. Is that a forthcoming change?
Ads are fucked, thats fucked.
But it mainly seems like microsoft policy, not necessarily w11 itself is the issue?
I ignorantly think a monthly subscription would never happen and we’d see mass linux adoption.
I have a dual boot in my near term plans for my desktop. I would pull that trigger immediately if ads or subscriptions materialized.
iirc it is during install now. You have to do things that are way beyond the average user’s knowledge or ability to enable a local account.
Ads are…already a thing. Shit like putting candy crush which allows you to spend real money to pay to win. Search suggestions in the start menu. The app store is an attempt at an Apple style money grab except the money grab only exists on the apple side because its the only way to get apps on the machine and MS never got much out its store in comparison.
Ads and subscriptions would already have happened if they had succeeded in using secure boot to lock machines out of alternative OS
Pro or Home? It looks like home is going to try to force you into a microsoft account a lot harder than pro. There are a couple of tricks to bypass it in the OOBE. But if you do sign into an MS account you can go into settings and there’s a button somewhere to switch to a local account. You’d just have to seek that out and it’s a pain.
More windows hate circlejerk.
Just upgraded to windows 11 and really like it. What’s so shit about it?
“We like the clean design and improved performance of Microsoft’s latest operating system, but it still suffers from its fair share of issues. Here’s what people gripe about the most.”
And they don’t even mention the ads or that Recall garbage
thing that takes screenshotsbeing forced on you even though the public made it obvious they don’t want that. That and all the telemetry; it’s pretty much spyware disguised as an operating system.I’m sure there are more things but those are just the ones off the top of my head.
*Edit: I remembered the name of Recall
*Edit: I remembered the name of Recall
You could say you … recalled it 😏
Most of those are tiny gripes, and to be honest I don’t care at all about most of them. The OS looks nice, runs well, and is pretty painless. That’s all I want in an OS.
Doesn’t let you just do whatever you want. I turned off the windows firewall in windows 7 and went on with my life. Windows 11 wouldn’t let me download updates with the firewall off.
No… I’ve literally only seen this on Lemmy. I’ve never once encountered anyone in real life that does this.
Edit: and to add, people really don’t like this. I love Linux, but hate this community at this point. It’s disingenuous and I see blatant lies all the time about where I’m going to see ads in windows. I’ve yet to see any ads at all so far.
This is hardly a blatant lie.
https://www.cnet.com/tech/computing/get-rid-of-ads-in-your-windows-10-start-menu/ This is from 2015
https://www.cnet.com/tech/who-wants-ads-in-their-windows-11-start-menu-heres-how-to-turn-them-off/ and now
The fact that you haven’t noticed this doesn’t mean its made up
It is interesting but people have different thresholds for what they consider “ads”
I know Ubuntu took some flak for offering their system — was it Ubuntu Pro? — at their login screen. That’s fine with me, but bothers others.
Ubuntu again did it with some music store app in their app search results.
Meanwhile Windows has stuffed Candy Crush, Office, and many others in the start menu over the years. And sometimes it’s not Microsoft but OEMs doing this.
But is crapware “advertising”? Im not sure but it seems like perceptions have shifted at the same time as Microsoft specifically has pushed more and more intrusive ads, and those have moved further to the “advertising” side of that line between suggestion and spam.
I would always start all conversations with my friends with “Hey Windows peasants!” If I had any friends. These two things have nothing whatsoever to do with each other.
I met a vegan who uses vim and arch linux. I’m that guy. I use vim and arch linux, and I’m a vegan.
Have you considered CrossFit?
Maybe they cook only with an air fryer.
Why is your username blue?
Edit: sorry. You’re OP
The Holy Trifecta!
I someday hope to meet myself again.
vegoon btw
we be vegooning all night
“We are all vegooners on this blessed day”
-Ken M
😼
omg bestie
Why don’t you use emacs? You can replace Linux with it and use it to start vim!
Your personal choices are offending me.
I swear Linux users are borderline jehovah’s witnesses going door to door
hey!.. We’re clearly tech vegans
Isn’t cruelty against animals - specifically one self - a key part of the Linux learning journey?
Cruelty to oneself is part of the Arch journey.
Life is suffering. Once you accept that fact wholly, you may ascend
Ah, but you see, we consented to the cruelty against ourselves.
Windows user:
*Complaining about ads on their desktop
Me, a linux enjoyer:
*inhales*
Linux user complaining about having to add repositories manually in order to get a piece of software to update or to add a tool they need.
Me as an any operating system user. Both have draw backs that aren’t for normal people.
I use EndeavorOS which draws from Arch repositories including AUR. I’ve never once had to manually add a repository.
Not knocking you but there is also a reason the “I use Arch memes” exist.
Because we want everyone to know how SUPERIOR arch (and derivates distro) is so they can get in the fun? 😁 /j
Don’t arch users also hate the derivatives?
Most Arch users don’t actually use Arch because it doesn’t have a GUI installer.
Cool. Don’t care… Just pointing out that the person is wrong.
Adding repos is a one time thing that takes like 10 minutes tbf. And even then there are gui tools for that funny enough.
Ten minutes? What are you doing for the other eight? Basking in the warmth of a job well done?
are those real? I don’t believe anyone ever said “it’s like linux but it works.”
it does work though, on windows i can see ads and intrusive crap all the time. Linux distros don’t bother you at all, it’s like linux is not even trying at this point.
This makes me want to make a Linux addon just for ads
Like make it entirely transparent Download this is you miss having ads lol
don’t forget to activate your linux distro
Ubuntu used to do ads pretty well, even before microsoft got better at them, haven’t used that distro in a while, so can’t confirm if that’s the case still, but you might want to check it out.
That’s 100% someone trolling Linux users.
I think they’re tongue in cheek.
I’m going to argue that it’s very unlikely any of those people are friends or colleagues. It didn’t ask if you recommend Windows on social media or forums.
We’re not friends? 🥺
Sry, who dis?
Betrayal.
Given your name, I think it’s for the best.
Hey! How dare you discriminate against me for my job! MODS!!! SIEZE THEM
Not to mention your sexuality!! Hey everyone! We got an ace-phobe over here!
Oh god
well duh. windows is the default everyone uses, no one needs to recommend it.
linux on the other hand is an obscure choice that may be better for that use case and may not be known.
I’ve been bombarded with Shit about Linux ever since I signed up here.
CAN SOMEONE PLEASE PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME THE CRAZE BEHIND THIS DAMN OPERATING SYSTEM?!!! I just dont fukin get it! Whats so special about it😭😭
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Windows is a privacy nightmare. The OS is constantly sending data to Microsoft while being used.
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Windows hogs resources. If you don’t shovel money out for new hardware every few years, your computer will run like shit.
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Windows is full of ads.
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The majority of malware is written for Windows. Not really a selling point for me, but it’s a bonus.
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Linux is free.
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Linux doesn’t force updates. You update when you want to, and it takes less than a minute to do.
Oooh… okey, noice noice…
How similar is the interface to windows?? Im mostly interested in how customizable it is. if theres more customization features (I lake to change the colors n fonts of stuff and all my themes are an eyesore on purpose uwu) then im sold.
Also the amount of fucking data lost on games/programa cus of forced updates…
There is no single desktop environment on linux. Your customization begins with choosing your desktop environment/window manager.
To get a feeling for the things people like to do, you could take a look at [email protected] or [email protected]
ok it looks cool but all that code looks hella fuckin scary(･◠･;)
Do I gotta learn to code ALL THAT??? Do I even need to learn whatever tf that code stuff is to even change the settings/wallpaper??! Oh god now I know how Apple users feel when I ramble off about Android lets me Sideload apps that aren’t in the app store…
Im hoping to god I dont even have to touch whatever all that block of text is just to personalize my system
Yeah don’t worry, you’ll mostly be copying and pasting stuff from the Internet. Not much mental exercise, just follow instructions.
The Arch Wiki is an amazing resource, It contains tons of useful info that isn’t specific to only ArchLinux.
This is a choice as well. Some people like editing configuration files, while others prefer a gui. The big desktop environments like gnome or kde of course offer changing themes and wallpapers in a gui.
You can look at some themes for kde plasma on this site: https://store.kde.org/browse?cat=104
Oooh okey :3
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Think about why you joined Lemmy. Reddit has been getting greedier and greedier, so you left to a place where the grass is greener. The same thing is true with Windows and Linux (and Linux is also much more big and mature than Lemmy). It attracts the same kind of people.
Oh- huh… I mean Im outta the loop as to what Windows is doing thats so awful as well as what makes Linux so amazing.
@Cock_Inspecting_Asexual Things like, for example, putting ads and tracking into an operating system you paid money for?
OHH YEAAA
IS THAT WHAT THAT MCAFFEE SHIT IS ABOUT???
A lot of it you won’t even notice until you use Linux daily for a week or two. Then you’ll wonder how you ever lived with it.
I trust you internet computer-monkey
Lemmy generally attracts the same kind of person that would also use Linux. Both of them are open source and community driven alternatives to software otherwise provided by large corporations and milked for every last cent. Both of them require just a bit more knowledge in order to comfortably use them. Linux with all the distro’s and desktop environments, Lemmy with all the instances and apps/front-ends. We’re very much a bubble here.
So-
Code Monkeys.
I call all the high tech people code monkeys cus its funny~
Also I say this like I’m not tech savy… Im just not THAT tech savy, but Im more savy than average people.
Everything is free and 100% customizable if you want to put a little bit of effort in (I’m sure this varies wildly depending on technical abilities).
…and theres no Microsoft whoch is the best part
I drive Linux for a similar reason to why some people prefer driving manual transmission cars to automatics.
Automatic transmission cars are ideal for a certain kind of driver that has no interest in how the machine actually works, they just want the machine to do its job as smoothly as possible without them having to think about it. Not bothering with the details is the whole point.
For those of us who do have an interest in knowing how the vehicle works, automatics become kind of suffocating. They’re designed to only ever behave in certain specific ways. If there’s a weird niche thing that we know is possible for the machine to do with manual control, but the automatic system doesn’t support, you’re just SOL. You can’t. This starts coming up in all sorts of annoying little ways, increasing in frequency as your knowledge increases. Death of a thousand cuts. You start feeling like you’re not really driving this car, you’re being taken for a ride.
Windows is like the automatic. It is a black box designed to allow people who don’t care how the computer works to use the computer. To prevent morons from breaking the internal components, they put up barriers around everything and tell you to keep out.
Linux is like the manual. Yes, it does demand more finesse and active knowledge about how the computer works to drive properly. But you’re in maximum control of it. If you want to pop the hood and tinker with every facet of its innards for whatever reason, it does not attempt to stop you. It’s all open, laid bare for you to do whatever you want with it.
Linux has a lot of options available to make it more automatic like Windows, if you want it. The difference is that the automatic-ness is completely optional in Linux. Imagine a car that can be automatic most of the time when you don’t care, but can become manual at the drop of a hat when you need it. Linux can be that if you want it to be. Windows can’t.
So, you’re saying that people driving automatic cars crash more often than manual transmission drivers?
(Ignore the people that shift into reverse at 180km/h)
lord have mercy im gonna need that whole ass essay re-written in Layman’s terms. My dehydrated underfed self ain’t ready to process this
There’s nothing special about it. Linux distros are one of the options, alongside windows and osx as desktop systems.
What there are are preferences, morals, affordability. Linux is generally free, has different approaches to how the system is structured, how software is installed, how much access to the system you have, and how much responsibility for setting it up you have.
This will also vary from distro to distro, but generally software is installed from the distribution’s repositories, not downloading files from various websites - and instead of having some different scheme for updating every program on your computer, you use a single command (or button in an app) to update your system and all your software. This is one of the main things I love about Linux - you get to update your stuff when you want, all at once.
I’ll tell you why I use it: to use open source software. I noticed whatever freemium program I used on Windows that was cool eventually got enshittified and became spyware. Like fucking clockwork, the author of uTorrent sold out and all the new versions became cancer
Linux has better support for a lot of open source software, you can use a package manager to download most of it, and flatpak for a bunch that’s not there
It’s just so much easier than trying to find the official site for the program you want.
We can’t tell you. It’s a secret.
:0
ShortHipocrisy version, becausepeopleI also wrote booksthere:Windows sucks your data and tries to put ads everywhere. Linux is a type of operating system, that is free and open source - everybody can make their version. Thus, there are no ads, and the moment they try to spy on you, community picks up the torches. So, people who know their stuff rally behind linux. HOWEVER. Linux isn’t windows - it doesn’t support the same programs and needs you to fight off command line anxiety.
Today linux is basically botherless to work with, but even then, I still had to boot up command line to install some old ass drivers or some shit.
Heck, what’s more - there’s only one/two version of active windows, but there’s many linux distributions (which are the “made by other folk” version I talked before), so you can pick the one that fits you. Most folks recommend Linux Mint as it’s the most Windows like experience, but if you like chromebooks there’s also Peppermint OS, and if you want full versatility there’s also Debian.
how do I even install Linux???
Most distributions have detailed instructions on their sites, like Linux Mint. But overall, it amounts to:
- Choose disteibution
- Download it’s installation image ( I recommend LiveUSB version - it will allow you to check if you like it first and most distributions have them )
- Prepare bootable usb stick ( I recommend Rufus for that )
- When done, reboot your computer choosing usb drive as boot
- If LiveUSB version, check out whether you like what you see and if everything works. If you like it, there should be install app on desktop
- Proceed with install process. For most linuxes, it’s 1:1 windows installation process, minus ads and forcing you into online stuff.
- Enjoy linux ^^
Edit: Also, you can simply download distributions en masse and boot them up in VirtualBox or something to check them out without making USB each time. Allows bypassing requirement of LiveUSB too - you can just install it in its box. However not all distributions like being virtual boxxed
https://youtu.be/tc4ROCJYbm0&t=297s
Mr. Kernighan explains it nicely I think.
Linux is free open and hackable, Lemmy is free open and hackable
Also 50% of the population of Lemmy seems to be diehard communists, open source is a similar idea to communism and Microsoft is a pretty good representation of late stage capitalism
If we claim we are recommending distros do we escape on a technicality?
The distro IS the OS, so no.
No, the OS is a given.
The word distro is a commonly used for Linux distros, where the OS is Linux, I would say.
Edit: this sentence is wrong
I wouldn’t say the OS is Linux any more than the OS of an Apple computer is XNU. Linux is just the kernel. Similarly the other OS isn’t “Windows NT kernel,” but Windows 10 or Windows 11.
The kernel is linux. From wikipedia: An operating system (OS) is system software that manages computer hardware and software resources, and provides common services for computer programs.
Linux being designed to work with so many things (and so many things designed to work with linux) all combined make the OS. This is also where the famous quote comes from. https://www.gnu.org/gnu/incorrect-quotation.en.html
unironically: most distros are actually mostly gnu, just with a linux kernel. bit annoyed when people just call it “linux”
Best use of that image I’ve ever seen
My workplace has this common braindead policy where we have to change our passwords every 3 months. So every time I change it, Microsoft page asks me, “HOW WAS IT?”
Like it wasn’t annoying enough.
I never understood the purpose of this.
Unless you are REAL stupid levels of lucky to have one of the mandatory password changes the day after a compromise that you werent aware of, all mandatory regular password changes do is make people use less secure passwords.
There’s no purpose. It’s 100% security theatre.
“Security theatre” is what I’ve named the contact in my work phone for the call center I have to call every time I accidentally use the “one time password” more than once (because god forbid they implement proper SSO, meaning I have to do a shotgun login run every morning). When I call them all I tell them is my name and that my account is locked.They click a button and we’re back. Complete waste of time on everyone’s part.
Nothing like TSA level security.
Technically it reduces the window for a successful brute force.
That said, it comes with serious drawbacks. Mainly making them impossible to memorize, so then users end up just writing them on post-its and putting them on their monitor. Or other equally dumb things.
Once upon a time it was a recommended best practice both by NIST and Microsoft if I recall. Both deprecated that practice years ago but most a lot of institutional inertia keeps it going, plus industry standards based on that time that don’t update as often perpetuate the problem.
So does mine, and we just got hacked. Almost like users make stupid passwords when required to change frequently.
This meme is older than Windows 11
This meme is older than windows 8
Don’t be so certain - I’d recommend Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC IoT over Windows 11 any day
You can’t get IOT as a consumer
Not with that attitude.
Not legally
Wouldn’t be the first dubiously legal copy of Windows I have.
After the latest bullshit from Microsoft I would make absolutely sure to recommend literally anything but Windows to everyone that talks to me.
After the latest bullshit from Microsoft
I like how your comment works regardless of whether you consider “latest” to be the past year or the past decade lol.
Fair point. I haven’t used Windows for almost a decade, so maybe a bit of a, a bit of b?
If you are cross-posting please mark it as such. My poor communist in c/memes.
I must have missed it if this had just been posted in another community.
Now that I think about it, that original meme was not true either. My friends always argued about windows vs. Mac, and continued to Android vs. iPhone
Like, people talk about OSes in general conversation
