I don’t know what are you talking about. In my country the standard is two weeks and max one month in special cases. I’ve participated in the hiring of multiple people from different European countries and they never asked for more than one month to join in, except when they wanted to relocate.
In France, the standard for software engineers is 3 months. Verified with this official source https://code.travail.gouv.fr/outils/preavis-demission. With convention “Bureaux d’études techniques, cabinets d’ingénieurs-conseils et sociétés de conseils”.
That’s crazy. So if they present a same day resignation note they have to pay a three month salary penalty? That’s just companies stealing workers’ money.
To be fair this is a counterpart for being harder to get fired compared to some USA states. It makes the economy less fast to adjust but it makes people’s life less stressful.
Europe’s economy is like an old Volvo. It’s slow but full of safety features in case your hit something. USA’s economy is like a classic Ford Mustang. It goes really fast on the straight but when you hit a bump things can go horribly wrong quickly. ~Mark Blyth
IDK my man, having three months of forewarning for resignation sounds pretty cool to me. I don’t really see it as a downside. Especially in Italian law, where you can avoid making things awkward by agreeing with your employer to make the resignation time as short as you both want, as long as those three months are paid out. Blessed.
If you’re hopping within the country, usually the local culture is adapted. I never had issues with it, employers expect you to have a resignation period.
Plus as I was saying companies don’t really like to have a working quitter, so they will usually negotiate for that time to be shortened. Maybe one month so you can transfer your knowledge to somebody else, then you’re out - with the three months money, naturally.
Three months would be excessive in the Netherlands. The legal minimum is one calendar month. When you resign you can always negotiate to shorten the period, but most of the time people will work the remainder of the contract. Also, your new employer might actually think there is something wrong if you can quit your current job faster than the one month.
Yeah one month is the standard practice here too, as a negotiated shortening of the three month notice. It’s good to have the other two months paid out, that’s all I’m saying.
Depends on the country. Where I live, the maximum permitted by law is 30 days (unless both the employer and the employee agree on a different termination period). That goes for both firing and quitting.
Yes of course it does, but standardised employment contract are rather common in Europe - at least in the few countries I worked in, YMMV. There are exceptions of course, but I imagine for Americans the idea of state laws mandating your entitlement to three months of salaries plus severance money must sound outlandish.
Stop calling it Europe then, you’re referring to 2-3 specific countries. There are very different laws and ideas about the “standardized” contract in different countries.
It works both ways, if they fire you, you still have a job for 3 months at least. Giving you plenty of time to find a new job. You also get half a day per week (paid) to use for soliciting other companies.
Generally it is more devastating to lose your job than it is to lose an employee. Since you have plenty of other employees who can temporarily fill in, while you generally have only one job that pays for everything you do.
Maybe this is a difference between countries, but is fired for cause and laid off treated different? Like I can understand and appreciate the protections if your position is eliminated or something. In the US we have unemployment insurance where you can get I think 3/4 of your normal pay if laid off. But if you get fired for cause then you’re on your own.
I guess there’s a limit here too. I’ve never made enough when having to reley on unemployment to hit the max. I just looked it up though and looks like its a bit over $800 for the weekly max.
No, why you got fired does not in fact affect your need to eat food and house your family, so it’s not a factor.
And if you are “laid off”, ie the company says they don’t need your job anymore, you are usually entitled to a pretty nice redundancy payment too - plus the usual.
I live in the Netherlands, and fired for cause is very hard over here. Basically the employer needs solid evidence of misbehaviour, and even then most judges will still rule in favour of the employee.
3 month bullshit for resign? What kind of work contract is that?
Let me introduce you to Europe
I have 6 months in Germany, all managers at my company get this. I find it a bit too much, but it can usually be negotiated
I don’t know what are you talking about. In my country the standard is two weeks and max one month in special cases. I’ve participated in the hiring of multiple people from different European countries and they never asked for more than one month to join in, except when they wanted to relocate.
In France, the standard for software engineers is 3 months. Verified with this official source https://code.travail.gouv.fr/outils/preavis-demission. With convention “Bureaux d’études techniques, cabinets d’ingénieurs-conseils et sociétés de conseils”.
That’s crazy. So if they present a same day resignation note they have to pay a three month salary penalty? That’s just companies stealing workers’ money.
India too.
To be fair this is a counterpart for being harder to get fired compared to some USA states. It makes the economy less fast to adjust but it makes people’s life less stressful.
Europe’s economy is like an old Volvo. It’s slow but full of safety features in case your hit something. USA’s economy is like a classic Ford Mustang. It goes really fast on the straight but when you hit a bump things can go horribly wrong quickly. ~Mark Blyth
IDK my man, having three months of forewarning for resignation sounds pretty cool to me. I don’t really see it as a downside. Especially in Italian law, where you can avoid making things awkward by agreeing with your employer to make the resignation time as short as you both want, as long as those three months are paid out. Blessed.
It could make you miss you a job opening that needs someone earlier. Hadn’t have the issue myself, but I guess it happens.
You wouldn’t because everyone is expecting you to do the right, corporate thing, so they’ll gladly wait for you to gracefully terminate your old job.
In tech anyways.
If you’re hopping within the country, usually the local culture is adapted. I never had issues with it, employers expect you to have a resignation period.
Plus as I was saying companies don’t really like to have a working quitter, so they will usually negotiate for that time to be shortened. Maybe one month so you can transfer your knowledge to somebody else, then you’re out - with the three months money, naturally.
Three months would be excessive in the Netherlands. The legal minimum is one calendar month. When you resign you can always negotiate to shorten the period, but most of the time people will work the remainder of the contract. Also, your new employer might actually think there is something wrong if you can quit your current job faster than the one month.
Yeah one month is the standard practice here too, as a negotiated shortening of the three month notice. It’s good to have the other two months paid out, that’s all I’m saying.
Depends on the country. Where I live, the maximum permitted by law is 30 days (unless both the employer and the employee agree on a different termination period). That goes for both firing and quitting.
Yes of course it does, but standardised employment contract are rather common in Europe - at least in the few countries I worked in, YMMV. There are exceptions of course, but I imagine for Americans the idea of state laws mandating your entitlement to three months of salaries plus severance money must sound outlandish.
Stop calling it Europe then, you’re referring to 2-3 specific countries. There are very different laws and ideas about the “standardized” contract in different countries.
It is actually really nice.
It works both ways, if they fire you, you still have a job for 3 months at least. Giving you plenty of time to find a new job. You also get half a day per week (paid) to use for soliciting other companies.
Generally it is more devastating to lose your job than it is to lose an employee. Since you have plenty of other employees who can temporarily fill in, while you generally have only one job that pays for everything you do.
Maybe this is a difference between countries, but is fired for cause and laid off treated different? Like I can understand and appreciate the protections if your position is eliminated or something. In the US we have unemployment insurance where you can get I think 3/4 of your normal pay if laid off. But if you get fired for cause then you’re on your own.
3/4th of your normal pay??? Lmfao
What state do you live in?
In California you max out at less than $2000 per month. Which won’t even cover rent.
I guess there’s a limit here too. I’ve never made enough when having to reley on unemployment to hit the max. I just looked it up though and looks like its a bit over $800 for the weekly max.
No, why you got fired does not in fact affect your need to eat food and house your family, so it’s not a factor.
And if you are “laid off”, ie the company says they don’t need your job anymore, you are usually entitled to a pretty nice redundancy payment too - plus the usual.
I live in the Netherlands, and fired for cause is very hard over here. Basically the employer needs solid evidence of misbehaviour, and even then most judges will still rule in favour of the employee.