A lot of the commenters seem like they would have denounced the french resistance as being terrorists.
I don’t think people really understand why “terrorism” and guerilla tactics happen - they come about when there’s massive power imbalances.
No government is perfect, leadership and political factionalism gets particularly bad during war, as do the various inhumanities and war crimes. Usually in the hands of the greater power dehumanization is involved in the desire to exterminate, in the lesser power a seething revenge and fearless demand for the right to life to the point of wanting to exterminate the enemy totally.
It is very much true that “one man’s freedom fighter is another’s terrorist”…
…but in the end we have humans killing humans, and that’s the real problem. A problem which is currently serving the US military industrial complex which Israel is contractualy obliged to preference, and much of the US funding for Israel is spent back into that industry.
The war pigs get fat on human blood, and they don’t really care whose it is, as long as there’s a lot of it. Meanwhile Israel can be seen as aligning with US geopolitical interests, seeking the destabilization of Russias allies and perhaps even annexing oil resources. This is modern rationale for mass killings and war.
The French Revolution? The system where everyone even slightly suspected of not being loyal to the resistance was executed summarily for spectacle, up to and including its own leader? That’s the thing you’re going to put your name on and say “if people really cared about freedom, they’d support this”?
Can somebody please remind me why I still use Lemmy?
WW2.
I just don’t wanna hear it from you Westerners. You guys murdered half my people and suddenly you play the moral paragons
As someone who has a very walled off opinion on this stuff, I’d say we name the whole Gaza-Israel thing WARioland and wall it off. Maybe put a glass globe over it and podcast it. We could then name it "Hunger-Games“, because food will be scarce. And, with enough advertising, it would make a profit. Just imagine the podcast stopping and a commentator saying “This handgranade was brought to you by Northrop Grumman” when a grenade is thrown lol
The ThunderDome if you will
Two races enter, one race leaves.
You know Bob, in all my years commentating I’ve never seen a Palestinian child fly into so many pieces. The Israeli team is killing it this season! (I feel gross playing along with this.)
I like how the UK’s barrel goes right up the US’s butt. In some circles that might indicate power, but I think the flow of fluids goes a different direction in this instance.
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I just love Americans suddenly moralizing to everyone about war lol
Americans will murder half a country, move on to the next one without so much as an apology, then have the gal to tell the rest of the world what’s unjust and what war we should be outraged about
I love how non-Americans trash our MIC until some big bad shows up like Russia or China. When it’s their countrymen, fathers, brothers, sons and daughters who will be fighting bleeding and dying suddenly we become pretty popular…
Lol pls save us daddy white man
No problem, been doing it since we introduced the world to indoor plumbing, penicillin, electricity and space travel.
My Aztec ancestors had indoor plumbing when yours were throwing piss on the streets lol
Shame they never leveled up the tech tree farther than that. It only took a handful of drunk conquistadors to wipe out the Aztec empire.
You should add a palestinian tank along with the other tanks, and replace that palestine flag at the front with hamas’. Palestinian should stand along with other western countries in fighting hamas.
Oh strange did Hamas colonize Palestine in 1948 and lock people up in a concentration camp where they systematically Genocide them?
I must be very uninformed.
Yes you are indeed uninformed. There are no concentration camps in palestine. Not in 1948, and not even now.
You are more informed on some things than others, how much do you get paid to spread propaganda before a US election? Where do you go when the election is over?
These are the pressing questions lemmy is dying for.
Everyone that cares about stuff I don’t is faking it and must be paid to care cause I only care about money instead of other humans.
Real nuanced take. Not really sure you get Sonder and understand empathy.
Sadly I don’t get paid to raise awareness to an ongoing Genocide. I hear doing Genocide apologia for the regime pays good money though. Do they send “additional information” along with the cheques?
Meh, I’m playing stupid or liar. And I picked liar. I could be wrong.
If a foreign nation dropped a bomp on your house or rolled a tank down your street you might just start to side with the people saying they’re going to get them back.
Israel’s strategy can and will only lead to more Hamas support because they make no distinction between civilians and Hamas. They have never had a real plan to ‘return hostages’, only to wipe out the Palestinian people, because they perceive the idea of Palestinian identity to be an existential threat.
Without the 7 of october, this comics would be right. But after that, adding a Hamas fighter with a Kalashnikov hiding behind the Palestinian civilian would be more accurate.
The horrors Hammas did that day was cruel and inhuman, and so does the Israeli responce since then. In such a situations, it is difficult to chose a side.
Palestinian doesn’t mean “hamas fighter”!
You saw a drawing of a person holding a Palestine flag and you are writing about Hamas.
Palestine and it’s people were there before Hamas and they will still be there long after Hamas and Israel is history.
Israel = genocide + apartheid
Palestinian doesn’t mean “hamas fighter”!
That’s exactly what I mean by adding the Hamas fighter behind the Palestinian civilian, and not making him a Hamas fighter.
You saw a drawing of a person holding a Palestine flag and you are writing about Hamas.
Because Hamas is responsible as much as the Israeli government about the current situation. Putting a lone Palestinian here push the narrative that no one did anything wrong on their side, which isn’t true.
Palestine and it’s people were there before Hamas and they will still be there long after Hamas and Israel is history.
I hope so for Hamas, but for Israel it is more complicated. If there was a solution that would allow both side to live together as equal, I’d support it fully. But just making Israel disappear won’t resolve anything.
Israel = genocide + apartheid
Exactly. As would be a Palestinian state dominated by Hamas or its allies.
The hamas is not a government.
It is easy to pick a side.
Not anymore, after being mostly whipped out by the Israeli military.
Nor the Israeli government, or the Iran aligned armed groups (Hamas, Hezbollah) are worth of being supported, the only worthy side is those who wish for peaceful and respectful cohabitation.
the only worthy side is those who wish for peaceful and respectful cohabitation.
So you support Hamas?
If you’d take a look at Hamas ideology, I’d call that far from peaceful and respectful.
Hamas supports a peaceful resolution and two state solution. They had a very nice peaceful march in 2019. Similar to the west bank. Even Hamas recent statements are very reasonable and try to reach a peaceful resolution.
Say ,which party is the violent one which tries to expand their Lebensraum and refuses all attempts at peace again? I recall there being an order for a party to directly distantle all their illegal colonies in the West Bank.
Then should I suppose that killing civilians, men, women and children on the 7th of October was a way the peacefully resolve the issue? (Note that this also applies to the Israeli response since too).
Both side has showed they have no intention of peacefully resolve the issue. They both know that their power depends on keeping the hate alive, and fuel each other perfectly.
Then should I suppose that killing civilians, men, women and children on the 7th of October was a way the peacefully resolve the issue?
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable.
There is a difference between a peaceful resolution and a peaceful resistance.
Hamas tried the peaceful resistance in 2019. Do look up how Israel responded.
Better yet, look at the West Bank right now. Tell me how that peaceful resistance is working out against israel.
For Pete’s sake that is not what Dremor is stating.
The hamas is not a government.
Hum… In Gaza they used to be exactly a government. Not a democratic one, but one imposed by Israel.
… what I’m sure the GP wouldn’t like to hear either.
The justification of Israel was “we are fighting terrorists”.
Call it whatever you’d like, according to this, they did not recognize it as a government, and as such we have horrible terrorist acts on one side, and government-backed war crimes on the other side.
And also, the death count is not really comparable, and Israel using its status of a government to mass-murder civilians is much closer to the nazis than to a terrorist attack.
The scale and the nature of the authors of these crimes are not leaving a doubt as to who is the main problem now.
Thanks for doing the title thing.
Easy to call out someone as tanky when you chose to illustrate one side horrors while being willfully blind to the other side ones.
The irony just keeps stacking
