I’ve come to two realizations recently:
One
The sudden tankie willingness to believe that Trump cares about a cease-fire in Gaza, and got tough with the Israelis and then they capitulated which Biden could have done at any time, sheds some interesting light on how the tankies think. They accuse anyone who disagrees with them of shifting their realities around, such that anything Biden does is good, anything the State Department says is always true, even if it contradicts itself or basic common sense or reality. I always thought that this was just a lazy reality-free arguing tactic, but in retrospect, I should have realized that it’s a tell about their own thought process. Just like it’s a warning sign if someone constantly suspects their partner of cheating, or is constantly on an absurdly hypervigilant lookout for scams and people trying to cheat them out of money, this is a key revelation about the way Hexbear itself looks at reality.
Trump is a capable diplomat, if believing that lets them trash Biden. Trump cares about Palestinians, if believing that lets them trash Biden. The cart is firmly in its place in front, and everything else including the horse can follow along depending on what the cart dictates.
Two
Hexbear’s censorship, and wild hostility to anyone who comes to “their” place and tries not to toe the party line, really does do a pretty effective job of distorting the view of reality and consensus that their users are able to experience.
Take a look at these and compare:
They’re brainwashed and also fascists. They don’t stand for communism at all and never had.
Communism is pretty much tied to authoritarianism
Tankies= Republicans
That’s all you gotta say. They love the orange fucker.
To build off that, I was going to say it is easier for them to understand authoritarianism than liberalism. They more closely relate to using power to enforce will rather than consensus and damned the consequences.
Tankies are very much not Republicans
Extreme left and extreme right are similar since they both embrace Authoritarianism and government oppression.
As an anarchist, I take issue with saying the “extreme left” embraces authoritarianism. But I get what you mean.
“As an anarchist”
Lemmy has the weirdest people
In to up vote you before someone cries
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I agree with what you’re saying but I always downvote this obnoxious alternating case nonsense. Shit needs to die.
Eh, I think that only applies to Hexbear. The ml instances seem to hate anything US (or western, for that matter) without picking sides.
Not in my experience, but ml seems less obviously pro trump at least.
I have been calling this out since my first interactions with those instances. They are heavily infested with right wing trolls making “leftist” noises. And the ones who aren’t actually trolls are either so blinded by their disdain for liberalism, or just too young to notice.
Yeah. I’m genuinely curious how many of them are right wing trolls, how many are useful idiots, how many are normal trolls, how many are subject to mental illness and will sincerely believe anything and yell it at everyone else because of brain chemicals, how many are some other category, just what are the details of the real demographics there. I wish there was a way to know.
They are left wing
Just extremely far left (the farther you go the less sense it makes)
Nah, there are very obviously a whole bunch of Russian trolls in all of these spaces. They legit just parrot Russian narratives about the war and US politics. It’s extremely transparent.
This is just cope. You don’t have to look hard to find people, on YouTube for example, making the same points. With hundreds of thousands of lefty followers.
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They are not bots or trolls or foreign agents. Lemmy is already radicalised.
lemmy was literally started by radicals
Tankies are the alt-right fabricating an alt-left. Tankies are a deliberate disinfo campaign most likely out of st petersburg. Remember the russian troll farms? See how easily they penetrated the right wing in america? The left are free thinkers and are a harder nut to crack. Their best shot at this is to cosplay far left and push liberals further left. Tough to foment a civil war when only one side is fighting. TLDR; Hexbear is most likely 90% mother russia phoning home.
You make it sound as if the “left” in the US is as left as it should be and pushing it further is a bad thing. The “left” in the US are full on capitalism appreciators, even under the Obama admin which liberals look upon fondly large mergers and consolidation of power were allowed to happen. This country is lost if we act like one side is doing its job (doing things in the interest of the populace and not corporations).
In the United States being on ‘the left’ is arbitrarily just being ‘left of far-right’.
The ‘Radical Far Left’ is anything that isn’t devoted to capitalism. This isn’t a Republican talking point but the central prerequisite to American politics that thinks Bernie Sanders would’ve had executions in central park.
I agree with everything you said. I just think hexbear is a psy-op
The left are free thinkers
Idk, there are a lot of leftist echo chambers. Please avoid anything close to the “we’re right and everyone else is wrong” argument.
But yes, agree with much of the rest. I also think there are a lot of trolls from China in the mix as well.
That’s certainly part of it, is my guess. But it can’t be all of it, just a whole community of Russian trolls talking to each other. How many useful idiots are there?
And Dessalines likes Hexbear. Presumably he’s not a Russian troll. How many others are there, and how did they come to their decisions? I believed a bunch of dumb stuff when I was young. How much of it is that?
This is false. They’re not alt-right or agents out of russia.
Horseshoe theory is just always correct
Saying shit no one has ever heard of like “horseshoe theory” and trying to make the regular people who never heard of it out to be stupid or abnormal is exactly what outs you as a Russian bot.
Check this guy’s post history. It’s pretty clear which team he plays for.
Settings ▶ Blocks
While yes, that is a thing. This is however literally a community meant to discuss this sort of thing.
This is my contribution to any discussion about Hexbear or Hexbear communities.
I’m a reasonable man and I’m willing to talk to anybody. But Hexbear and the communities it harbors are simply unbearable to me. I have no other instances and no other communities blocked.
Something I generally support as well. Though I’m lucky enough to not be Federated with 2/3 of the problem locally. It’s just kind of out of place in a community like this is all.
I’m just fascinated by it though. I’m curious about human behavior, and I think the ways that people get themselves worked into a non-reality view of the world in a big community that all agrees about it is a highly relevant topic for the modern world.
I won’t pretend to understand what’s going on over there completely, but I’m interested enough in it that I want to be able to observe it. From a distance.
If you want to understand and observe there is the podcast ‘Chapo Trap House’ which you can look into. Hexbear quite literally originated from its fanbase, and makes their antics make a whole lot more sense.
I don’t know… I appreciate the suggestion but that sounds a little closer to the sun than I want to fly.
That’s the only instance I have blocked.
Just so much spam all over the all scroll…
It got old really quick.
Fascists gonna fash.
The political spectrum isn’t a line: it’s a circle. It doesn’t matter if you go left or right, once you go far enough, both sides meet on “authoritarianism.” Trump wants to be a dictator. Tankies love dictators. Social cohesion is infinitely more important to these people than how they get there. As long as there’s a government regulated “in” crowd and they’re part of it, they’ll justify any level of doublespeak, goal post moving and hypocrisy, and they’re willing to perform any amount of mental gymnastics to get there.
this is a ridiculous take, just entirely forgetting the existence of anarchists, it seems. by that logic, anarchists are the enlightened center now, by virtue of being as far removed from authoritarianism (and therefore political extremism) as possible.
also, how does that form a circle? if i go even further left than left-auth, would i go over right-auth, right, right-moderate, until i end up at… where exactly?
I think this is something a lot of people here miss. The farther you move to the extremes the more reality gets distorted. Tankies are so far left that there views are wildly distorted. Part of the extremes is also authoritarianism but that’s mostly because that’s the only way maintain there limited world view.
They are not in any meaningful sense left. What happens is it when you’re a hammer everything looks like a nail. The reason tankies look so similar to magats. Is because they are unified in a Devotion to strong men and a authoritarianism over left or right. They believe that might makes right and disagreement is punishable by Death. No more no less. They are authoritarians and will use whatever economic policy they think serves the case in point china.
I tried to block them but they dont show up in the list, so I assume the instance that I belong to already took care of it?
Yeah, Blahaj and Hexbear had a falling out over Hexbear accusing Blahaj users of tolerating ‘chasers’.
Thoughts? Right on schedule.
Some people are doomed to repeat the same mistake they are brainwashed to make over and over: picking a side in every scenario.
Cmon. If you haven’t already blocked hexbear you are just part of the problem. 90% 4chan garbage. You won’t miss it.
There will always be people who believe absurd things. I just leave them the fuck alone, and hope they’ll grant me the same courtesy.
Good lord, this is the second post I’ve read today that consists of this user bitching about Tankies. The block function is a wonderful thing…
This is a dedicated place to bitch about them. What do you expect?
It’s not bitching, it’s fascination. I don’t need a large dose of it, but a little every now and then is pretty interesting to me to observe.
