• brucethemoose@lemmy.world
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    Yeah.

    I mean, people aren’t perfect, they’re hypocritical, but I draw the line at loudly preaching hypocriticism, and would want a chewing out if I was this person.

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      I remember a guy I used to work with, when I was drinking cold water he said “cold water is bad for you”. I said “you’re holding a cigarette right now”.

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    An Epidemic of Fear: How Panicked Parents Skipping Shots Endangers Us All (2009):

    Curt Linderman Sr., the host of “Linderman Live!” on AutismOne Radio and the editor of a blog called the Autism File, recently wrote online that it would “be nice” if [rotavirus vaccine co-inventor] Offit “was dead.”

    I’d met Linderman at Autism One. He’d given his card to me as we stood outside the Westin O’Hare talking about his autistic son. “We live in a very toxic world,” he’d told me, puffing on a cigarette.

    It was hard to argue with that.

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    What value do George and u/parking_war add here?

    Sorry for being snippy. I do appreciate the post, it’s just funny to me how lately, a lot of memes are three levels of quotes deep.

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    Conspiracy theory people pride themselves on “knowing” something that others don’t. It gives them a sense of superiority to everyone else because of that “knowledge”

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        Problem is that people seem to be more intent on being right all the time instead of the hermit lifestyle part. Which means we get way more exposure to people who think they’re right all the time.

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      F in the chat for those who can’t control how much of an idiot they are.

      The other is smoking.

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      It’s just funny that a person is protesting a potentially harmful substance while consuming one of the most harmful readily available substances.

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        Uhh sure, but both substances are sold by corporations. Both are poisons. One has no health benefits beyond an extreme minority and the other has great health benefits applied topically.

        I won’t get into all the details about ingesting fluoride and where municipal fluoride comes from unless you want me to. It is a very unpopular here even if it is the truth.

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            Sure, fluoride has been proven time and time again to be effective topically. There is no evidence ingesting fluoride, which is a poison, is good for the body. There is no mechanism in the human body to return fluoride to the teeth topically where it is proven effective once ingested.

            Give me a moment, the rest of this post will be updated with a copy/paste from my previous post on the matter because it takes a lot of effort to summarize this topic.

            Edit:

            https://www.cochrane.org/news/water-fluoridation-less-effective-now-past

            The latest studies indicate fluoride in the drinking supply has little effect compared compared to fluoride toothpaste. So you once it is available the need for adding fluoride to water goes away. This has been supported by numerous studies comparing countries that do not add fluoride to their water.

            I studied this in a 400 level water course at UNI. I got to visit wastewater and water plants and speak with operators. I was surprised to learn the fluoride was not naturally occuring in the water supply as it is advertised on the EPA website.

            Then I found an article about a small town in Canada that ran out of fluoride because of a downturn in fertilizer manufacturing. I thought to myself what does fertilizer manufacturing have to do with fluoride.

            That is when I discovered the truth that it is a toxic by-product of fertilizer manufacturing that is sold to municipalities to be disposed of in our water supply. It is not pharmaceutical fluoride because that would cost too much. Oh and it is contaminated with nasty stuff like heavy metals.

            I then did a bunch of research comparing rates of tooth decay in different areas of the world. It really did not appear to make a difference but actual dental care and fluoride toothpaste did.

            My presentation was about a hour and a half where I presented all my research. I got an A on it and everyone was very impressed with what I discovered.

            Second edit:

            We are begginig to understand about healthy mouth biomes which is evident in people who don’t naturally get cavities. If you have never been introduced to the bacteria that causes cavities or if you mouth biome naturally fights off and destroys this bacteria you will never get cavities.

            In the future when our technology advances it may be possible to fight cavities without Flourode which is a still a poison even if it is effective.

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              My presentation was about a hour and a half where I presented all my research. I got an A on it and everyone was very impressed with what I discovered.

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              I’m didn’t downvote you but the reason this is unpopular here and elsewhere is because it started life as one of many red scares taken up by the KKK and various religious groups with the consensus of opinion (worldwide) being that your view as stated here is just incorrect. Furthermore, your incorrect view is consistently veiled in conspiratorial language using loaded words - “toxic” (dihydrogen monoxide is also toxic in the right amounts), “truth” (which “you” have “discovered” always a popular meme in this crowd). Aluminum has a similar history and it’s always the disenfranchised religious zealots and their armies of nutjobs (one of whom was pictured in the OP) who are doing the cherrypicking of the science.

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                I don’t care if people down vote the truth. I do appreciate you though, thanks.

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                  Dude give it a rest, it isn’t the truth and you know it. You’ve been shown multiple creditable sources proving you are wrong. Stop shouting poison, because literally everything is a poison, the only difference is the dose. Stop spreading misinformation.

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              There is no evidence ingesting Fluoride, which is a poison, is good for the body. There is no mechanism in the human body to return Fluoride to the teeth topically where it is proven effective once ingested.

              This is false. Ingested flouride is distributed to calcified tissues throughout the body, including teeth. In fact, dental flourosis (the actual, clinical symptom of overabsorption of flouride during development) is only possible because of ingestion during early childhood (including before you even have exposed teeth) and even then the symptoms are usually limited to aesthetics.

              Fluoride is an avid mineralized tissue seeker. Approximately 99% of all fluoride retained in the human body is found in mineralized tissues, mainly in bone but also in enamel and dentin.

              https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21701189/

              The only claim that you backed up with a source is “flouride less effective now that people also get flouride from toothpaste.” Which is not surprising or controversial. You did not provide evidence that it’s poison, or that metabolized flouride is somehow ineffective compared to localized flouride, which would be nonsense. Flouride plays a role in the mineralization of your teeth, and while it might have an antimicrobial effect in your oral bioflora, its primary mechanism is structural and not limited to topical application.

              I have seen an unbelievably compelling body of evidence that cigarrettes are poison, and so chemically addictive that no, it’s not a normal choice a person makes. People often “choose” to quit long before they actually manage to quit.

              I have not seen a compelling body of evidence that flouride is poison, and you haven’t changed that. And associating it with fertilizers isn’t some gotcha - it’s a byproduct of converting sulfuric acid to phosphoric acid via phosphate-containing minerals, it’s not like we’re extracting it from cow dung.

              If heavy metals are being added to tap water as part of the process - which again citation needed - that has nothing to do with the safety of flouride itself and everything to do with the regulations and regulatory bodies that should be in place to prevent that and monitor tap water for concentrations of substances that have been proven to be poisonous when ingested.

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                What is false, I stated their is no mechanism to bring fluoride topically back to the teeth where it is effective. You did nothing to refute this.

                You are claiming flourode is not a poison is of course ridiculous. And we are not talking like anything could be a poison because even relatively small amount of fluoride introduced to the body can be harmful.

                That is why there are safe limits of exposure. Indeed in areas with extremely high levels of naturally occuring fluoride it is recommended to filter it or consume from water sources not effected.

                The majority of the time natural occuring levels or the levels introduced artificially are not harmful but that is not my point. My point is it is not necessary when you have adequate dental care as proven in countries that have good dental care and do not artificially introduce fluoride or have natural sources.

                Since you did not actually read what I said you don’t understand heavy metals are mixed in with the fluoride extracted from the smoke stack scrubbers of fertilizer plants. Why are fertilizer plants required by law to extract fluoride if it is so safe. Hint: it is not

                I have done the research in person. This is not the discussion you think it is and you are obviously trying hard to pretend you know something. I am not here to convince anyone. If you continue to act this way I will happily block you as you should me since we are not having a real conversation at this point.