Inspired by the recent c/AskLemmy question about Myanmar.
As a PRC-born ethnic Han-Chinese person who currently is a US Citizen and reside in the US, I’m curious on what people think of my former country.
Very interesting history and culture, plastered over with bland authoritarian turbo-capitalism that disguises itself as communism.
- Interesting mythology and past.
- Technologically advancing.
- Many ethical issues against people by the Government.
- They are very into the illusion of being a paradise.
- If you are a person not from there, it can be a potentially traumatizing experience, depending on what parts of the country you go to.
If you are a person not from there, it can be a potentially traumatizing experience, depending on what parts of the country you go to.
Actually, foreigners (white foreigner to be precise) such as Youtubers Serpentza and Laowhy86 managed to go around China and make videos critical of the CCP and they didn’t end up in prison or anything. But if a Chinese person attempted the same thing, they’d probably get jailed. I feel like there a sort of “foreigner privilage” that basically the CCP doesn’t want to get involved in a diplomatic incident, but is otherwise happy to punish their own citizens (since there wouldn’t be any diplomatic incidents).
I didn’t even mean trauma from the gov’t, which is a whole different level, but trauma from its own people. My wife traveled to China for work and it was not great for her.
Culture shock from going to an advanced society?
Not seeing mass homeless and junkies in the streets, working public transport, etc can be a bit much.You obviously know I meant the opposite. Not all of China is advanced. There were indeed homeless people and likely junkies. You can go into my post history if you want to see the longer story.
Congratulations, you’ve discovered sarcasm. (see what I did here?)
China has lifted 800mln out of poverty. 3,3% under the poverty line (for now). The US banana republic has11.1%.
China is the nr 1 in homeownership in theworld BTW at 96% And not even beginning about the junkie comparison.Your post history just shows your Sinophobia in another comment under this posts and then I have to scroll back to see your ‘expertise’ comes from…second hand stories from a 2 week trip your wife took once.
And that expleinss she’s butthurt bcs they don’t have a groteskly obese population like the US and they ridiculed her for it.
I guess it’s a more original reason for badmouthing them than the normal envy the US has for losing hard to them economically.
So LOL, copeThank you for teaching me sarcasm, I am in your debt. I’m also not an expert, and she’s not obese since she’s a personal trainer. You also forgot that she had a friend who also lived in the city she visited, for years might I add. It’s not just her experience. I also don’t think anyone was putting into question how fucked up the US is, because it most definitely is. The OP was asking a specific question and I answered it.
If you want to pretend to know something about China and badmouth them you should at least know the CCP doesn’t exist.
The CPC does.Actually the “CPC” doesn’t exist because it’s called 中国共产党
做五毛前，先学点中文吧。
Your confused with the non-existing country Taiwan
Your comment literally translates as CPC.
Besides the nasty insult you paid propaganda people can’t do without apparently.
winnie the pooh
Oh Bother
Uyghur people in concentration camps while tourists invade their homes
There are vanishingly few tourists in Xinjiang. Indeed they won’t even give you a visa if you say you’re going there.
A ruthlessly effective technocracy that has achieved very impressive outcomes for their citizens¹ while also being a cultural / societal system I never want to live in. For some reason super obsessed with outside appearances.
1:
From 1995 to 2025:
- GDP/c: 603 to 13973
- Literacy rates: 77% to 96%
- University graduates per year: 900K to 10M
- Life expectancy: 33 to 77
- Railway km: 54616 to 160000 (50000 high speed)
- Urbanization rate: 29% to 67%
etc.
I like the idea that these were your first impressions of China, as in you stepped off a plane, had one look around and thought “Wow, this place seems like a ruthlessly effective technocracy that has achieved very impressive outcomes for its citizens but it’s certainly a cultural-slash-societal system I never want to live in.”
I’ve been reading some terrible books because I enjoy listening to 372 pages we’ll never get back.
That reads exactly like a line in a few of those books.
University graduates
You forgot the Gaokao that’s 10x harder than the US SAT/ACT 💀
Chinese food, which i love.
Unfortunately, it’s trump squinting his eyes, and saying “China!” with a pause and a scowl. Rent free in my brain.
Second thing I guess is some bullshit where they were cracking down on Ramadan in a news article.
Third I suppose is the rich history and cultural tradition.
Massive cities with LED buildings, beautiful mountains with paved hiking trails all the way to the top and gondolas to get down, Long queues that are still orderly and move quickly, families eating large meals outside, friendly and very curious people.
I’ve spent a lot of time there. Compared to the west the cost of living is super cheap especially for all the options and amenities you get. Even in the hippest part of Chongqing I could rent an apartment 2x the size of my house for half the mortgage. If the US is headed towards a permanent authoritarian regime I would trade life here for over there. At least their dictator appreciates science and education.
I would trade life here for over there.
If you are white… maybe
Otherwise… it isn’t that pleasant…
The internet has really fucked my brain, because the first thing that comes up in my head is an old meme of The Orange One (back when he hadn’t been president yet, and so was funny instead of scary) saying “CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA” (sorry)
AFTER that – Disney’s Mulan, and all the orientalist aesthetics that come with it (sorry²)
And AFTER that – Years of internet discourse trying to convince me that a growth in Chinese international power would be worse than the US holding that position alone, which I find EXTREMELY hard to believe as a third world citizen whose home nation has been fucked in the butthole by the Americans like seven different times in lived memory (NOT sorry)
Then AFTER that – The stories told by my one friend who lived there for a few months. To be honest they made China seem like a pretty cool place to live in. Or at the very least, a fun experience as an exchange student.
And AFTER all that – Bootleg video games. They are interesting!
a plate
Order. Conformity. Mystery. Impenetrable language. Impossible writing. Eating anything that moves. Mindless nationalism. People who don’t talk or even care about politics. Depressed single young people obsessed with shopping. Security cameras. Police. Airport-sized train stations. Electric scooters. Electric cars. Utopian-dystopian sci-fi.
Yes, I have been there multiple times.
PS: to be clear, I was very, very impressed by those trains and especially by the electrification of city transport. In Shenzhen the air is now cleaner than any big city in the West and with all the greenery and silence it really does have a utopian feel. The progress there is genuine, it’s amazing, it deserves lots and lots of credit.
Impossible writing.
Native Chinese speakers often forget how to write after they finish school. Especially exacerbated by technology. All you need to known is Pinyin.
Eating anything that moves.
My grandmother told me a joke, roughly translates to: “anything with 4 legs and with the back facing the sky, with the exception of a table, is food”. I mean… there were famines, so you can’t judge with western lens. You gotta eat whatever to survive.
People who don’t talk or even care about politics.
Its honestly the same with Americans. (to a lesser extent)
When I was in Highschool (in the US). Nobody in my classes seemed to be interested in voting. 🤦♂️
Depressed single young people obsessed with shopping.
Huh? I mean, I left when I was a kid so idk what this is, I never heard of this “obsessed with shopping” thing.
My family would say “the only thing on the 12 zodiac we don’t eat is the dragon only because it doesn’t exist.”
I think of China as a country that pretends to be communist while making cheap products that vary in quality. I also think of the nice people that live there though.
Technology city of Shenzhen, mountain range, great wall, Mulan, winnie the pooh, three kingdom, wuxia story, and mala peppercorn.
Ohh and it’s my ancestral land.
Complicated. Big.
A collection of a wide range of geography, languages, and peoples. Held together by a mix of national pride, iron fist, and a solid record of on the whole very good for most people improvements in life quality in living memory.
Big. Brazen. Splashy. But with an inability to face problems, and a resignation to the world as is. An almost fatalistic attitude paired with naïve or blind optimism on its dexter side.
A place filled with potential, as well as already existing food, culture, history. But hard to find much of it as modernity does a speed run towards uniformity and mass production, while historical sites are rebuilt as poured concrete facsimiles.
Thiefs, low quality, dictatorship, murders, will probably try to fuck up my life in the future.
Dude that is the USA. They do have knife guys occasionally but nothing is as terrifying as being a US grade student with an active shooter warning on campus. Besides Japan I’ve never felt safer that over there.
Do you folk have any other talking points than “but USA bad”? This question is not about USA, it’s about fucking China.
You sure nothing’s as terrifying? I think being an Uyghur in a Chinese concentration camp might be even worse.
Well I can’t speak from a Chinese/Uyghur perspective, only from what I know and have seen. I doubt you will find many Chinese residents that would say China is more dangerous than the US. A more divided opinion here for sure. The data proves it, in total murders and per capita. I’ve been all over their cities at all times of night and would not do that here, especially in the city I live in now. The things you are saying that is bad about China I think is worse here. I don’t think any Chinese resident is worried about getting shot while driving down the highway and I’ve lived thru those periods here, in the places it was happening. Just doing a direct comparison. If you’ve visited China I would find it hard to believe you would find it more dangerous.
No, it probably isn’t more dangerous in the direct sense. But it’s more dangerous in the subtler ways. Look, I’m from a country where we had the Soviet bland of dictatorship disguised as communism and let me tell you it’s very similar to the Chinese bland.
You have to censor your opinions because you might end up in prison for saying the wrong thing to the wrong people. And the worst thing, you don’t know what you’re missing because the government and its secret police tries really hard to make sure you don’t know how much better it is.
I believe that you had a superb time as a tourist in China, after all they only show you the good parts as a tourist. You’re simply not allowed anywhere that might shed light on their propaganda.
I’m not saying US is some kind of utopia or whatever, but pretending China is a good country to live in is crazy and dangerous.
I lived there for 2 years. I’m familiar with the propaganda. It was easy for me to ignore since I wasn’t going to be a permanent resident.
I see the same propaganda here. its gotten us in multiple unwinnable wars and is now stripping away our democracy. It’s why we have terrible, expensive healthcare and why gun related deaths are the #1 killer of children. Neither place is utopia. But now I get to worry about my country deporting naturalized citizens which is a thing I never thought I needed to worry about.
