In this case fighting for it means voting for Trump tho…? I don’t think he would have done better in this situation. Do you?

Says the guy with the depopulation username.

Yeah, you sheeps are what’s fucking up this country. Go fall in line, shut up and vote. Fuck outta here with your bullshit.

To be fair I don’t know that I want to be clearly conscious for this election cycle, or for what come after.

Yeah, fuck your grammar/English/vocabulary bullshit. It doesn’t add anything to the conversation nor does it fix the shit America is in right now. Take it somewhere where it matters, not here.

Might do that, but there is no fucking way I’m voting for Biden or Trump.

I did vote for the green party last time. Might do it again, because fuck both Dems and Republicans.

Earn it. If you can’t, or worse, if you won’t, then death to you.

As I said, it doesn’t matter who I vote for, the R candidate will get >60% of the vote and the D candidate will get 25-35%. Even if every third party vote went to the D candidate, they’d still be short by like 20%. If it was close at all (say, within 10%), I’d get your point, but that’s just not happening in my state.

So no, I’m not falling for that “a vote for X is a vote for Y” nonsense. I voted for Biden once because Trump was that bad and disliked in my state, but he won by >20%, which just proves how useless it is. So I’ll be voting third party again now that Biden has lost even my small, symbolic gesture.

gearing up to destroy…

I’m honestly okay with a bit of that, such as:

• Dept of Education - complete nonsense, we should scale it way back; imo, Fed loans have just screwed people over and made education more expensive, and that’s just one example of where they’ve overstepped
• FDA - should probably be an independent org, not an agency, at least for verifying drugs; it seems big pharma and whatnot have clogged up the system to prevent competition; I think they should set standards, but some other org(s) should do the actual verification
• education vouchers - I live charter schools and think we should reform our school system around school choice, but I draw the line at private schools; we should instead be improving transit so kids in working class families can attend the school of their choice

But I disagree with enough of it to matter:

• abortion - should be legal and largely unrestricted during the first trimester as a privacy matter; I don’t think women should be harassed during the time when miscarriage risk is high, so it should remain between her and her doctor; anything beyond that first trimester should be a state issue
• LGBT people - I’m not really sure what actual policies LGBT people want, but I’m totally in favor of anti-discrimination laws similar to what we have for race and age, and I’m absolutely in favor of same sex marriage; however, I not willing to go as far as Democrats in establishing positive rights
• EPA - I’m generally a fan of the EPA, at least as a research body; I think some of our standards are a little ridiculous though, with some being too strict and some not being strict enough; we should review its scope, but I don’t see a point in dismantling it
• IRS - I’m absolutely against cutting the IRS budget in any way, in fact, we should increase it; at the same time, we should be simplifying the tax code so enforcing it is easier; we should only cut it when enforcement stops being revenue positive (i.e. we’ve automated enough and simplified enough that tax fraud takes far fewer resources to detect)

Regardless, voting for Democrats won’t solve any of that. My state will elect Republicans to every position that matters. That’s a fact of life, and it’s probably more likely for my state to flip to a third party than to flip Democrat. So voting Democrat only makes sense if the candidate is actually strong enough to pull Republicans voters, and Biden ain’t it.

So no, I’m not voting Democrat because that’s not going to solve anything. I’ll vote Democrat if the candidate is good, otherwise I’ll be voting third party to signal to my state that I’d rather throw my vote away than vote for either major party, maybe they’ll actually care enough to pivot their platform a bit.

Keep voting Democrat and we’ll no longer have any semblance of freedom.

It doesn’t matter if you think it’s a stupid take or not. Focusing on one person here won’t change the fact that enthusiasm for Biden is already low. Telling someone they are stupid because they feel this way certainly won’t change their mind and will more likely solidify their position. I think we should be more vocal now about pushing for a different candidate even at this late stage. The polls already show Biden will not get the numbers he did before. The choice between not good and doom just isn’t going to motivate the masses this time. The sad truth is that Biden as the nominee is Trumps best chance at a second term.

More than 15,000 people have burned to the ground already with him in charge, why do they not matter?

Lol I am not murikkkan, I will be happy to witness the destruction of this country that perpetrates genocides and regime changes upon rest of the world, manufactures fake genocides about other countries every year, and is the main pivotal force of superimperialism and ultracapitalism. Tax payers clearly are happy, unbothered and unable to overthrow their Deep State of both parties, because y’alls fingers are too deep in McDonalds cheese and Starbucks lattes, as y’all fund all this maniacal shit overseas.

Fuck USA.

Democrats will only delay the inevitable by a few years, Republicans will quickly give the good result. Might as well be done with it and get used to a lack of white privilege, like rest of the world.

Ah, yeah, that makes more sense.

Exactly. I mean tbf the US is now mostly on good terms with the middle East, but all these countries are one regime change (or depending on country aid money not coming) away from doing a 180 because the people themselves hate the US with a passion. I know I do.