• TurtleSoup
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    A WELL TRAINED AI can be a very useful tool. However the AI models that corporations want to use aren’t exactly what I’d call “well trained” because that costs money. So they figure “we’ll just let it learn by doing. Who cares if people get hurt in the meantime. We’ll just blame the devs for it being bad.”

    Edit: to add this is partly why AI gets a bad rap from folks on the outside looking it. Corporations institute barebones, born yesterday AI models that don’t know their ass from their elbow because they can’t be bothered to pay the devs to actually train them but when shit goes south they turn around and blame the devs for a bad product instead of admitting they cut corners. It’s China Syndrome but instead of nuclear reactors it’s AI.

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      Corporations institute barebones, born yesterday AI models that don’t know their ass from their elbow because they can’t be bothered to pay the devs to actually train them but when shit goes south they turn around and blame the devs for a bad product instead of admitting they cut corners

      Sounds like all it would take is one company to do it right, and they’d clean up. Except somehow, with all of the billions being poured into it, every product with ai sprinkled on it is worse than the non-ai-sprinkled alternatives.

      Now, maybe this is finally the sign that everyone will accept that The Market is completely fucking stupid and useless, and that literally every company involved in ai is holding it wrong.

      Or, and I know it’s a bit of a stretch here, but consider the possibility that ai just isn’t very useful except for fooling humans and maybe you can fool people into paying for it but it’s a lot harder to fool them into thinking it makes stuff better.

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        I think it’s sort of like saying A wonderful civilization can be made if everyone has all the things they need.

        Well, yes. Getting there, though. heh. That’s a little tougher than it may seem.

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      A WELL TRAINED AI can be a very useful tool.

      please do elaborate on exactly what kind of training turns the spam generator into a prescription-writer, or whatever other task that isn’t generating spam

      Edit: to add this is partly why AI gets a bad rap from folks on the outside looking it.

      i’m pretty sure “normal” folks hate it because of all the crap it’s unleashed upon the internet, and not just because they didn’t use the most recent models off the “Hot” tab on HuggingFace

      It’s China Syndrome but instead of nuclear reactors it’s AI.

      what are we a bunch of ASIANS?!?!???

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        It’s China Syndrome but instead of nuclear reactors it’s AI.

        what are we a bunch of ASIANS?!?!???

        Not sure if you’re kidding or just ignorant of what that reference is, but it has nothing to do with China.

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          if you put this paragraph

          Corporations institute barebones [crappy product] that [works terribly] because they can’t be bothered to pay the [production workers] to actually [produce quality products] but when shit goes south they turn around and blame the [workers] for a bad product instead of admitting they cut corners.

          and follow it up with “It’s China Syndrome”… then it’s pretty astonishingly clear it is meant in reference to the perceived dominant production ideology of specifically China and has nothing to do with nuclear reactors

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        please do elaborate on exactly what kind of training turns the spam generator into a prescription-writer, or whatever other task that isn’t generating spam

        Fraud detection is a task that it can do well at with machine learning using pattern recognition. An AI can chew through a massive data pool and find minor discrepancies in real time, much quicker than a human can and it can do so 24/7. In the case of say, credit card fraud, the AI will look at your historical data and see that all your in-person purchases for the last 6+ months have been within a certain area then it sees that your CC has been used 1700 miles away, when you just used it 6 hours prior. AI goes “yea it’s impossible for them to travel 1700 miles in 6 hours.” Then flags the data as suspicious for someone to review and it did all of this in a matter of seconds to minutes instead of the several hours it would take a person to do, assuming they even caught the discrepancy in the first place. That said it’s not always 100% accurate, that’s why I said “as a tool” not a replacement.

        i’m pretty sure “normal” folks hate it because of all the crap it’s unleashed upon the internet, and not just because they didn’t use the most recent models off the “Hot” tab on HuggingFace

        Hence why I say “partly why”. Yes probably more than half of the hate is because of all the generative AI slop that’s been puked out onto the internet with wreckless abandon but there’s also those that have to deal with the piss poor implementation of AI customer service replacements that just sit there and talk in a circle whilr you’re just trying to get your ISP to send out a technician to fix the landline that your hit with a weedwacker (took 45 minutes to finally get the damn thing to connect me with a service rep.)

        what are we a bunch of ASIANS?!?!???

        China Syndrome was a term coined in a 1971 article ‘Thoughts on Nuclear Plumbing’ by a former Manhattan Project scientist named Ralph Lapp. Essentially it’s a hypothetical sequence of events following the meltdown of a nuclear reactor, in which the core melts through its containment structure and deep into the earth “straight down to China”. Something that has been proven either impossible or improbable multiple times but people still hold on to the fear that it is possible and in doing so will constantly rebuke the idea of welcoming nuclear energy. Same concept applies to AI in a way. People only see it as a tool for spam, misinformation, our impending doom, etc and in doing so fail to see how, if handled correctly and professionally, it could become a very useful tool. Not a replacement, but a tool.

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      oh are people just training it wrong? wow where did we hear this before

      sure is a good thing that you, wise turtle soup, could be here just in time to tell people the secret wisdom! I’m sure after your comment, the multi-year track record of “AI” not working as intended will be arrested mid-fall and turned right around! we’re saved!

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      a well trained ai can excel at very specific tasks.

      prescribing drugs isnt it.

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        You would be correct. You could use it as a tool to say, help look at the patient history and help find past/present drug prescriptions and how they’ve been charted for the patient, saving a doctor or pharmacist time but ultimately that still needs to be a decision made by an actual doctor and or pharmacist.