• Flying Squid@lemmy.worldOP
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        3 months ago

        Her opponent never claimed she was punched harder than she’d ever been punched before, so the story is a lie anyway.

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          3 months ago

          If it was a complete fabrication, it wouldn’t have made headlines across so many news outlets. “Lie” is a strong word.

          None of them specifically bring up being transgender; but a previous boxing association banned her for having too much testosterone. I am curious if that means the testosterone was either natural (meaning we can’t effectively test gender for the sport, and competing by sex is pointless) or if it was a simple case of doping, injecting it manually. Neither feels like a fun conclusion.

          EDIT: I’ll walk myself back on this a bit. Someone else pointed out to me that this other boxing association is Russian-owned. Given their track record for unsportsmanlike exclusion, I think that lends suspicion to their “testosterone test”.

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            3 months ago

            Competing by sex is pretty pointless.

            It is true that the average male human has some physical advantages on the average female human.

            Otoh the variability amongst people of the same sex is wider than that average difference. This effect is reinforced in professional sports because it tends to attract outliers.

            And then for trans athletes, most of that difference gets smoothed by a well adjusted HRT applied fpr a few years.

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              3 months ago

              We have divided a bunch of sports into “open class” and “women only” (some sports use “men only” and “women only”) because the difference between men and women is large enough that

              1. Women would be unable to compete at a professional level otherwise

              2. A lot of sports would be directly dangerous for women (see: contact sports without weight classes)

              Nobody argues that it’s pointless to have weight classes. How is that different from having classes based on (a proxy for) levels of testosterone?

              One of the best male 1500m runners today, Jacob Ingebritsen, beat the current women’s WR by almost 4 seconds when he was 15 years old. Women can be amazing athletes, and watching women compete at the top level is amazing. That’s why we need a class where they can compete, just like we need weight classes in many sports.

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      3 months ago

      Oh no, trans women have totally ruined Olympic women’s boxing forever. And it used to be your favorite sport too!

      Edit: By the way, I just looked up the story. At no point did she claim she was hit harder than she was ever punched before. I have no idea why you’re telling such a lie (okay, maybe I do know why).

      https://apnews.com/article/olympics-2024-boxing-gender-4b6eb881cce9c34484d30c68ad979127

      It sounds like she got the boxing equivalent of the twisties in gymnastics if anything. She certainly doesn’t suggest it is because her opponent is trans.

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      3 months ago

      Who is to say that woman isn’t a huge raging transphobe and tries to turn this into a thing to attack trans with?

      Sure seems that way.