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    The reality is even worse. They’re going to “learn” all the wrong lessons. They will shift further to the right, like they always do.

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      Yep, every time Dems can’t get enough votes from the left to win, because they aren’t “left/pure enough” for them, what they learn is to shift to the right to find votes.

      Whereas since voters on the right will always vote for the one with the R by their name even if they don’t think the candidate is “right enough”, their party learns that it doesn’t have to move to the left to find enough votes and stays to the right or moves even further to the right.

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    I think the only thing to learn from this is that if Jesus himself came down and ran as a democrat, Trump would make jokes about crucifixes and the religious right would start cheering. There is no crossing party lines

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      I think the only thing to learn from this is that [vehemently ignores everything the Dems did wrong]

      This article is about and for you, fool.

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      Oh c’mon, Kamala was pretty far from Jesus, and Trump and co. are no political masterminds. This was the dems race to lose and they brilliantly pulled it off by exhibiting what can only be described as an active disdain for anything that even smelled like progressive politics. Turns out you can’t win on “the other guy is worse.” They fucked up and lost fair and square.

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        Look, the Democrats are not good at running campaigns, but I will never let that obscure the fact that OVER 75 MILLION Americans were ready, willing, and able to vote for a proven rapist, convicted criminal, openly racist, riot-starting adult crybaby. Not grudgingly – they went to the polls with a song in their hearts and blood in their eyes! The fucking Democrats didn’t cause that – 12 years of Fox News telling people that DJT was God, and four years of blaming COVID and inflation on desperate economic migrants did that.

        Even IF the Democrats have enough of a base to overwhelm those +75m hateboner-stroking bigots, well they knew what’s at stake and STILL stayed home. (No doubt smirking at how cleverly they avoided any moral contagion via the brilliant gambit of continuing to pay taxes but not casting a vote 🙄 .) Regardless of all that, I don’t blame them for Trump’s win either, because there shouldn’t have been +75 million Trump-lovers to overwhelm in the first fucking place.

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          Yeah, but that’s democracy. Those 75+ million people wanted something, and they voted for it, and they got it. Anything else is irrelevant. There’s no asterisk in the Constitution with a footnote that says the election is invalid if one side consists of hateboner-stroking bigots. If Democrats want something different, then they have to convince enough people to show up and vote for something different. They have to get good at public messaging and at running campaigns. Righteous indignation changes nothing whatsoever.

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            Democrats would have benefitted greatly from reining in the corporate profiteering that happened from the pandemic onwards.

            They needed to be the anti greed party or the wealth redistribution party or something. Something different, not more of the same.

            It was hard to hear everytime they said “Actually, the economy is doing marvelous.”

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            Well of course the election was still valid. Brainwashed Fox News/X misinformation junkies’ votes count just as much as a good person’s does. More actually, thanks to the high concentration of fools in low-population states and with too many electoral votes. My issue is that a massive propaganda machine is permitted to exist, such that +75 million walking dildos are now convinced that Biden created greedflation and gave all their tax money to dog-eating immigrants, and Fauci should be executed for treason because he forced children to get vaxxed(?).

            Dismantling that machine should be job #1 – it should have been since Al Franken wrote Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot. But I guess it’s fucking impossible to shut off the machine that keeps stamping out Republican and IINO voters. And with at least a hundred years of MAGA rule ahead of us, I suppose it always will be.

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          That’s exactly it. It’s hard to admit that almost half the voting population is totally on board with trump–his “flaws” are not a bug, they’re a feature. He increased the size of his base, bringing in millions of Latinos, Gen Z men, and men of all races. It’s not that they simply hate the Dems, it’s that they love what trump is offering. In spite of that it there did exist enough more voters that don’t like trump (it would have taken 5 million more) to stop him, but they either didn’t give a shit or they wanted it to happen (to “punish” the dems). That’s the reality.

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            And now the Democrats will remain powerless forever. I guess single issue voters can take solace in that little victory. Sadly, they will probably not be replaced not by a more progressive party rising up from their ashes, but rather by an emergent faction formed via Republican in-fighting. They will still be conservative, but they’ll wear different colored ties.

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        Its not even the dems. Its the dnc. Who actually voted for biden or kamala as the person, of all democrats, to be the representative? The two party system has literally led to the death of America.

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      Which is crazy. In most countries, all parties are despised. In US, it is more like sports team.

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    Democrats have to be deft and diplomatic and do the right things all the time that somehow appeal to all the Americans (including Americans on opposite sides like Palestine supporters and Israel supporters) and they lose if they fumble even a little bit.

    Unlike the MAGA party of bigots who can’t lose no matter how much of dipshits they are.

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      I disagree. At the risk of oversimplifying, American voters tend to respect strength of conviction, even if they don’t always agree with the policy, over milquetoast candidates. That’s why Sanders attracted so many voters who went on to vote for the other party’s candidate in the general election. Democrats need to decide what they believe in, and say it long, loud, and proud.

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        They did seem quite unsure of what their values should be. I think thats a negative for some people that a persons values seem to change to match the audience. The pre-planned replies didnt help either. Kept hearing the same points almost to a word.

        Why’s it so hard to speak like a human being for the democrats? Make fun of trump all we want, his McDonalds video was not a bad look, it was personable.

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      Bro BFFR Dems had Dick and Liz Cheney endorsing her, exactly what part of their base is a war criminal and his nepo baby supposed to appeal to?

      Edit to add: this is who they sent to stump for Harris in Michigan and other swing states btw

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        exactly what part of their base is a war criminal and his nepo baby supposed to appeal to?

        Centrists. There was a reason that when Democrats took the House and Senate in 2006, they didn’t stop being a rubber stamp for Cheney’s war.

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        She also had Taylor Swift, Bernie Sanders, Obama, Mark Cuban, multple military generals endorsing her, among others.

        But sure, it was the Cheneys that outweighed everyone else. That’s the problem, not American voters who didn’t think ‘holy shit everyone across the sociopolitical landscape is coming together supporting her, trump is that much of a serious threat’.

        Great work👍

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          I dont think that everyone gives the same weight to those peoples opinions. Some see Obama as a war criminal, mark Cuban is in the billionaire class and is against business regulation, taylor swift is also a billionaire, and Beyonce is a billionaire as well?

          Bernie gave the same vote against tyranny stuff the democrats were saying. I dont recall him being excited about Kamala’s policy, was he?

          If the republicans are running on change, and the democrats are running on not changing, but most americans want things to change, it shouldnt be shocking which one wins.

          The democrats could have offered up a better idea to change the country but they didnt. They tried to scold and patronize people into voting for them instead.

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          I mean she chose to spend the last weeks essentially campaigning with the cheneys that’s different than just an endorsement when they star in dozens of rallies.

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          You’re in the headline, btw.

          It’s insane to me how Democrats keep appealing to the right, when their historically greatest turnout has been galvanizing their base like with Obama.

          And yes, a war criminal’s endorsement is more important to me than a pop star’s. One of them actually works in policy.

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          For real, all these people blaming democrats for not winning when billionaires were literally buying votes to not be taxed by democrats. Seems like a campaign.

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            Well, if anything it proves that Unions work. Unions of billionaire media moguls especially. Many (soft, wealthy) hands coming together, to push in collectively towards a common goal of eliminating the National Labor Relations Board, the EPA, the SEC, and the IRS… it’s kind of beautiful, in its way. (/s)

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    Theyre not the ones that need to learn. Voters need to learn DNC is a bunch of wealthy moderates grifting voters.

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    It’s going to be really fun to see them dust off the same exact playbook next time around, I already have two copies of it, I use one to even out the table in my kitchen, and the other I use the pages to pick up my dogs shit in the yard.”

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    So far what I have learned about what Kamala has learned is:

    It is now the darkest night in America.

    But…

    There are billions of stars you can only see at night!

    You know, faint, distant glimmers from long, long ago, that you can squint at and imagine they form coherent, stable, meaningful structures… which are not, and never really were there at all.

    I do not know if she was intentionally attempting to invert/reference Reagan’s ‘Morning in America’ and HW’s ‘Thousand points of light’, or if she somehow thought this was an original, meaningful metaphor.

    Either would be pathetic and disgusting.

    Anyway, quite literally that may have been how democracy in America died, to another speech of meaningless platitudes, ending with thunderous applause, congratulating that a failed struggle was worth it, because even though it failed, it played by the rules and was gracious in defeat.

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    What’s the thing that will send you websites at a set date in the future? Wanna take bets and look at this 4 years from now to the day?

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      No idea but just use email schedule send to yourself. No need to rely on something that might stop working then, unless you use some dodgy email that’s likely to close down.

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    They’ll learn the left never shows up, even when their human fucking rights are at stake. Next election the Dems will go hard center, to get the voters that actually show up. *We’re going to see them go hard on Clinton’s “It’s the economy, stupid”.

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      They’ll learn the left never shows up, even when their human fucking rights are at stake.

      The right didn’t show up either, but you lot were gung-ho about getting their fucking approval. You showed the left everything you are.

      If the left are not important enough to court, they’re not important enough to blame, even though that means your strategy was shit and you moved to the right for nothing but the sheer joy of it.

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      I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic or a colossal idiot who learned nothing from the satirical article about the fact that the people you’re deflecting blame off of learning nothing.

      If it’s the former, well done I guess? 🤷

      If it’s the latter, please wake the fuck up and smell the malignant incompetence.

      Edit: just realized that you’re the “Hillary 2016 was further left than Obama 2008” weirdo, so it’s DEFINITELY the latter. Please abandon your ridiculous pet hypothesis and get a fucking clue.

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        As a non-American I wanna ask: Is the American left blaming Harris and the DNC for this or is it all “Americans are so sexist” and “leftists suck” nonsense like I’m seeing here? Idk where to get this information and I wanna know if I get to have some faith in humanity.

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          It’s all of the above, really. The Left (actual left, rather than the center right to right wing Democrats in charge of the party) is blaming the DNC, Harris, racism, sexism, the billionaire-owned media, and of course the people who voted for fascism. Because all of those things contributed meaningfully to the baffling and tragic result.

          Meanwhile, the DNC and their most diehard supporters blame racism, sexism, and most of all the Left.

          They obstinately refuse to acknowledge that their “team” fucked up, so they’re blaming the people whose warnings they refused to listen to.

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      She was on a rocketship trajectory before getting Cheney on and focusing on old ex-R endorsements. There aren’t enough voters in the center and you can’t switch any magats is the takeaway.

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        She was on a rocketship trajectory before getting Cheney

        That’s what we thought but apparently not. All this time a large chunk of Americans were getting brainwashed by social media algorithms that she’s going to start WW3, or going to let all the illegal immigrants in, or she is going to make gas even more expensive, or round up Christians or some other bullshit.

        The DNC didn’t have a chance because the voters are fucking morons.

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          and you’re never going to be able to stop that, so you need to give the left who stayed home (as fucking stupid as that was) someone to be excited about

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            I wonder if liberals have finally stopped calling anyone who criticizes Harris and the DNC campaign a MAGA troll.

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        There are literally shit tons of voters in the center, that is the big fat juicy center that decides elections. Plus those voters are worth double, because it’s a vote for you and a vote taken away from the other party.

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          This is true, and those voters main concern in presidential elections is the economy. According to NBC’s exit polling:

          Nearly half — 45% — of all voters said they were worse off financially than they were four years ago. That was a higher level of dissatisfaction than what registered in exit polls in any recent election going back to 2008, when the election took place amid the financial crisis that propelled Barack Obama to victory.

          Though the economy is growing […] 2 in 3 voters rated the U.S. economy poorly, a level higher than in 2020, when the country struggled to get in gear during the Covid pandemic.

          […] About three-quarters of voters nationwide said they felt negatively about the way things are going in the country, including 29% who said they were downright angry.

          Meanwhile only 4% of voters cited foreign policy (which covers the Gaza genocide and Ukraine’s defense – immigration was broken out into a separate category) as their main concern. Even if Harris flipped the big red “stop the genocide” button and brought those single issue voters out of hiding, there’s no way they could outnumber the voters who were pissed about the economy.

          Frankly, if she was going to have a real chance, she needed to throw Biden under the bus – and it still might not have made a difference.

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          Dems lose when they try to appease this magical center because it takes the wind out of the sails of of their voting base. I mean getting buddy buddy with Liz Cheney killed my enthusiasm entirely and I only showed up to vote against Republicans instead of wanting to vote.

          Dems win when they promote hope and energize voters to increase voting turnout. She squandered that momentum.

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            Go through history: After successive losses Bill Clinton went center on the economy, as you do against an incumbent, and won. Gore when left with climate change and lost. Obama relied on “hope” and won after Bush’s disastrous wars. Hillary said she’d have a map room to fight climate change and lost. Biden went center, as you do against an incumbent, and won. Kamala tried to copy Obama’s “hope” and energy, but “it’s the economy, stupid”. Every time the Dems lose it’s because they relied on the left that didn’t show up, and the Dems only win when they go center.

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              You’re trying to pretend that Harris ran to the left because you still think it’s the fucking 90s.

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              That’s… interesting… I don’t know about Bill Clinton, not too familiar with that part of American history, but Gore? Gore won but didn’t demand a recount of Florida. Obama relied on leftist policies and wiped the floor with the GOP. Hillary lost because she was a “hold your nose and vote for her” centrist, not because she relied on leftists what the fuck are you even talking about? Harris did the same thing as Hillary and predictably lost.

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                and even the biden win was just stupidly close given trump literally drove your whole country head first into the top “fucked up the pandemic” spot

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              Every time they lost it’s because they relied on the left that didn’t show up

              The left DOES show up…but here’s the thing…there’s not enough of them to make a difference. I know it FEELS like leftism and even progressivism is super duper popular because its omnipresent on the internet but in the real world there just aren’t enough of them to matter for national elections outside of a few specific places.

              It’s like relying on an 8 year old to help you move furniture. You quickly realize that they just aren’t strong enough to do much.

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      Ya, I feel like I’m taking crazy pills with all these posts blaming democrats for losing when billionaires are literally buying votes to stop Harris.

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        I mean Harris also had billionaire support. She wasn’t exactly a revolutionary. And you put “billionaires” but that was Elon Musk’s incompetent ass.