The reason people use chatgpt like this is the same reason kids have stopped reading. Actually learning things clearly doesn’t actually get you anything in our society. University degrees are just things you do to get a better paying job. School is just something you do because you have to do it. In a society that values profit over everything, why shouldn’t you put in the least amount of effort possible? The idea that schools create responsible and active citizens or that universities create people whose knowledge can improve the world has always been a farce, people have just started realizing it.
the credential doesn’t get the job. the credential is the baseline for not having your application ignored. the credential doesn’t keep the job. valuable work product, demonstrate initiative, interpersonal skills and professional development do.
the kids who take only shortcuts with their own education to minimize learning, unless they have family connections, are 100% shortchanging themselves and can be spotted a mile away.
one of the most important skills higher education develops is learning how to learn, and the people who sidestep the opportunity to do that screw themselves so hard.
Lol, no. The person who can bullshit the best keeps the job. Valuable people have the self-destructive tendency of delivering honest bad news.
I say this as someone who has both been a valuable employee and managed fairly large departments. And who grew up long before LLMs existed. An important thing to remember is that hiring and firing decisions are generally above the team lead’s pay grade, meaning that a bullshitter just has to network upwards.
Sure, cheating at uni will cripple the kids, but only the frontline employees, not those who tip straight into management.
this is the most accurate from my own experience of having worked for decades
the idiot who knows absolutely nothing, isn’t even afraid to admit they don’t know anything but is able to bullshit the best, and suck up to the uppers without pissing them off, is the one who advances the furthest and quickest
anecdotally i’ve seen this time and again in IT. someone who really has no business being in IT support managing to get the job through bullshit interviews and name dropping, clearly having no skills whatsoever to troubleshoot or even do the most basic requirements of the job, but being able to shamelessly kiss ass and self-promote makes it to the lead IT position in 2 years, meanwhile the folks who know their shit inside and out end up leaving the job because they get no raises or promotions and just keep getting more work piled on endlessly
school fails to instil a love of learning in the vast majority of folks which is one of its great shortcomings. the exam model makes it into a chore. I also never really learned how to study in school. also yeah bit of a lib comment, kinda bootstrapper vibes. kill the project manager in your head or whatever
pursuing education is not liberal. credentialism? sure. careerism? absolutely. the managerial university? 100% lib as fuck. widespread formal education? nope. it is revolutionary and that is why capital formations are working overtime to capture and dismantle these institutions as a project to discourage and limit proletarian access to them and their networks.
there is a lot of work needing to get done that requires formal and ongoing education. social work, child education, healthcare, adult education, literacy programs, environmental protection, pollution mitigation, climate change adaptation, the list goes on for miles. these people find each other through formal education networks and share knowledge as friends and allies to find multidisciplinary solutions. millions of formally educated people are out there doing this critical work for their communities. and it is a world that seems to be invisible to those unable to resist cultural hegemony’s grip on their imagination of what sort of workers we must all become.
the credential doesn’t get the job. the credential is the baseline for not having your application ignored. the credential doesn’t keep the job. valuable work product, demonstrate initiative, interpersonal skills and professional development do.
stop talking like a career coach. you are always replaceable.
where did i write anything about abandoning your own education?
“work hard and you will be rewarded” like come on, at least add a bit of an ironic bent to it, I don’t feel like reading unsolicited milquetoast career advice on my communist shitposting forum, if i wanted that I’d be on reddit
it is something else entirely to internalize it and believe it so thoroughly you abandon your own agency and education.
In a system that is already captured, and oppressive, you have very low odds (zero if POC/woman) of ascending to the top of the oppression food chain by playing within the system
you have better odds by playing outside the system. Parts of traditional education are important for that. Parts are totally useless. Parts are only trivially important in the sense that they help you make social connections with other people brainwashed by the same trivia.
Even that’s a long shot though, and at the end of the day if you enjoy something then it’s worthwhile, and a lot of people enjoy not crunching numbers.
you have better odds by playing outside the system. Parts of traditional education are important for that. Parts are totally useless. Parts are only trivially important in the sense that they help you make social connections with other people brainwashed by the same trivia.
The thing is that the kid who uses chatgpt to do homework is woefully ill-equipped to know which is which. There’s no shortcuts to reading theory, so to speak.
As someone who has given far more technical interviews than I ever asked to, I can safely say that the biggest thing you can have on a resume to get fast tracked to an interview is a degree from some Ivy League school. I can also safely say that those people are no smarter, cleverer, or harder working than people with no degree at all, and in fact most of these people were completely useless. Doubly so if they’d spent 5+ years at a FAANG company.
One of my worst professional experiences was working with someone who was an MIT grad and Amazon alum. They didn’t do anything unless given extremely clear and detailed step-by-step instructions and didn’t seem to have any intrinsic motivation at all.
the kids who take only shortcuts with their own education to minimize learning, unless they have family connections, are 100% shortchanging themselves and can be spotted a mile away.
I agree with you and I’m definitely not one of the ones with family connections
The reason people use chatgpt like this is the same reason kids have stopped reading. Actually learning things clearly doesn’t actually get you anything in our society. University degrees are just things you do to get a better paying job. School is just something you do because you have to do it. In a society that values profit over everything, why shouldn’t you put in the least amount of effort possible? The idea that schools create responsible and active citizens or that universities create people whose knowledge can improve the world has always been a farce, people have just started realizing it.
agreed. cheating wasn’t invented yesterday
the credential doesn’t get the job. the credential is the baseline for not having your application ignored. the credential doesn’t keep the job. valuable work product, demonstrate initiative, interpersonal skills and professional development do.
the kids who take only shortcuts with their own education to minimize learning, unless they have family connections, are 100% shortchanging themselves and can be spotted a mile away.
one of the most important skills higher education develops is learning how to learn, and the people who sidestep the opportunity to do that screw themselves so hard.
Lol, no. The person who can bullshit the best keeps the job. Valuable people have the self-destructive tendency of delivering honest bad news.
I say this as someone who has both been a valuable employee and managed fairly large departments. And who grew up long before LLMs existed. An important thing to remember is that hiring and firing decisions are generally above the team lead’s pay grade, meaning that a bullshitter just has to network upwards.
Sure, cheating at uni will cripple the kids, but only the frontline employees, not those who tip straight into management.
this is the most accurate from my own experience of having worked for decades
the idiot who knows absolutely nothing, isn’t even afraid to admit they don’t know anything but is able to bullshit the best, and suck up to the uppers without pissing them off, is the one who advances the furthest and quickest
anecdotally i’ve seen this time and again in IT. someone who really has no business being in IT support managing to get the job through bullshit interviews and name dropping, clearly having no skills whatsoever to troubleshoot or even do the most basic requirements of the job, but being able to shamelessly kiss ass and self-promote makes it to the lead IT position in 2 years, meanwhile the folks who know their shit inside and out end up leaving the job because they get no raises or promotions and just keep getting more work piled on endlessly
your application is still ignored
It’s not only ignored but actively avoided too.
school fails to instil a love of learning in the vast majority of folks which is one of its great shortcomings. the exam model makes it into a chore. I also never really learned how to study in school. also yeah bit of a lib comment, kinda bootstrapper vibes. kill the project manager in your head or whatever
pursuing education is not liberal. credentialism? sure. careerism? absolutely. the managerial university? 100% lib as fuck. widespread formal education? nope. it is revolutionary and that is why capital formations are working overtime to capture and dismantle these institutions as a project to discourage and limit proletarian access to them and their networks.
there is a lot of work needing to get done that requires formal and ongoing education. social work, child education, healthcare, adult education, literacy programs, environmental protection, pollution mitigation, climate change adaptation, the list goes on for miles. these people find each other through formal education networks and share knowledge as friends and allies to find multidisciplinary solutions. millions of formally educated people are out there doing this critical work for their communities. and it is a world that seems to be invisible to those unable to resist cultural hegemony’s grip on their imagination of what sort of workers we must all become.
stop talking like a career coach. you are always replaceable.
stop talking like a fool. it’s one thing to understand the ideological frame of neoliberal capitalism that our society operates within.
it is something else entirely to internalize it and believe it so thoroughly you abandon your own agency and education.
where did i write anything about abandoning your own education?
“work hard and you will be rewarded” like come on, at least add a bit of an ironic bent to it, I don’t feel like reading unsolicited milquetoast career advice on my communist shitposting forum, if i wanted that I’d be on reddit
thank you, not a big fan of seeing bootstraps individualist mentality like that getting upbears on here.
In a system that is already captured, and oppressive, you have very low odds (zero if POC/woman) of ascending to the top of the oppression food chain by playing within the system
you have better odds by playing outside the system. Parts of traditional education are important for that. Parts are totally useless. Parts are only trivially important in the sense that they help you make social connections with other people brainwashed by the same trivia.
Even that’s a long shot though, and at the end of the day if you enjoy something then it’s worthwhile, and a lot of people enjoy not crunching numbers.
The thing is that the kid who uses chatgpt to do homework is woefully ill-equipped to know which is which. There’s no shortcuts to reading theory, so to speak.
I’m pretty sure reading and internalizing communist theory is not part of any westoid school curriculum
Maybe not in most places. The important thing is that it requires the same skills and engages with the same sources.
The point being there are no shortcuts to any kind of knowledge.
As someone who has given far more technical interviews than I ever asked to, I can safely say that the biggest thing you can have on a resume to get fast tracked to an interview is a degree from some Ivy League school. I can also safely say that those people are no smarter, cleverer, or harder working than people with no degree at all, and in fact most of these people were completely useless. Doubly so if they’d spent 5+ years at a FAANG company.
One of my worst professional experiences was working with someone who was an MIT grad and Amazon alum. They didn’t do anything unless given extremely clear and detailed step-by-step instructions and didn’t seem to have any intrinsic motivation at all.
I feel this. I do as little as possible since the only reward for hard work is more work. I do not care if I put more profits into my overlords hands
I agree with you and I’m definitely not one of the ones with family connections
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