But sugar dissolves in cold water. It just takes a bit longer. This is 9th grade chemistry. At 20°C 203.9g sugar are soluble per 100ml of water.
[Edit: Sorry, for the Americans here: At 68°F, 1 cup of sugar is soluble in 21/50 cups of water.]
Wikipedia (de): Zucker cites Hans-Albert Kurzhals: Lexikon Lebensmitteltechnik. Volume 2: L – Z. Behr, Hamburg 2003, ISBN 3-86022-973-7, p. 723.
And most of all, solubility being a function of the temperature, if you lower it the excess sugar will leave the solution and cristallize.
I came here to say this, but the best Aqua is without sugar anyway.
Preach
It takes time for that to happen and in the meantime you can have a gross oversaturated solution.
Edit: not even oversaturated, would just take a long time for all that sugar to dissolve unless it’s hot.
Have you seen how much sugar those hicks put into their tea though? It’s gotta be hot because they put coca cola grade amounts of sugar, to the point where it wont dissolve in the water anymore. Sweet tea contains 36-38 grams of sugar per 16 oz. That’s a fucking soft drink.
16 oz (454ml) can dissolve some 900 grams of sugar, far in excess of 38 grams. Sugar is ridiculously soluble in water.
Please attempt this and post results
It’s easy. It’s just making simple syrup.
The consistency alone is enough to know that sweet tea is nowhere near saturated.
When I make my sweet tea, I use two cups per gallon, which comes out to about 50g of sugar per 16oz. And it’s delicious! It’s definitely not a “drink all the time” type drink. I only make it a few times a year for friends.
example: you don’t make a pitcher of kool-aid with hot water.
however, adding sugar to the hot tea does work better than adding it after it’s already chilled.
How? Wouldn’t the excess sugar just come out of solution when the tea cools down again?
It dissolves quickly when the solution is warm. You would need to add a ridiculous amount for it to be saturated at room temp or slightly below.
“ice cold” water can hold about 170 grams of sugar in 100 grams of water
If sweet tea drinkers could read they’d be very upset by that graph.
…is what I was going to say, but man it took me a while to figure out and I’m still not 100% sure I really understand it. The specific gravity line and the sucrose vs solution line are tied to the sucrose dissolved in water curve, right? Wait, the left axis is merging two different scales? Sometimes data really isn’t beautiful.
The labels on the vertical axes match the labels on the lines. So the right vertical axis is for specific gravity (the grey line), and the left axis for the other two lines.
Right but you’re forgetting there are already other things dissolved in the water as their not using pure, de-ionized water, and they’re adding in tea.
Tap water usually sits around 200 ppm or 0.02% minerals. The tea leaves themselves, as I make my tea, are around 10g/L. Say the leaves dissolve 10% as an overestimation. That gives you water with 0.1% tea, 0.02% other. The solubility limit for sugar is 63% (by mass).
In general, the amount of salts or other organic molecules do not affect the solubility of sugar (or any other solute). The solubility of any solute in water is a constant (for a given temperature), as long as whatever is already dissolved does not have any compounds or ions in common with the next solute.
For example, if we wanted to dissolve sodium chloride into a solution of potassium chloride, the amount of chloride already dissolved would affect the amount of NaCl we could dissolve. But if we wanted to dissolve NaCl into a solution of potassium iodide, the KI would have zero effect on the NaCl solubility.
So, since tea has zero molecules in common with the sucrose, the yes shouldn’t affect the solubility of sucrose at all. The only exception would be if solution is acidic, the sucrose can break down into glucose and fructose, of which the tea may have a small (negligible) amount.
Plus we’re not actually saturating the sweet tea. Saturated sugar water is a syrup, so you know just by the consistency that sweet tea is nowhere near saturated.
Good details. Thanks Niels Bohron lol
They’re not super saturating it. They’re putting an amount of sugar in the tea that can dissolve at room temperature, it just takes a long time to do so.
Yeah basically, leave the pitcher to evaporate and you get your sugar back as a coating on thr glass
Well that explains the diabeetus.
That is really just a map of poverty.
I’m going to look at how poverty is defined. You just gave me an idea for my grad school program.
Apparently it’s defined by your blood sugar 🤷♂️
Hawaii doesn’t check out, but they do look very similar
Meh, its not a perfect correlation (and the time series for the poverty map and the diabetes map are different), but most chronic diseases tend correlate with poverty pretty well. You should look at a map of obesity. It follows the same form.
Nah, that’s actually a my bad for not getting my point across. Looking back on my comment: I know I was trying to commend you, but I must’ve gave up on trying, because it fell completely flat (Not to just you, but to me too when I reread my reply). Dunno where my head was when I posted it, but I can see that I stopped trying at some point and just hit “send”
The reason I commented to your post at all was because my first reaction was, “holy shit, that’s so specifically accurate and funny at the same time… how was this person seeing a fucking heat map, and able to respond with their own map, that is both wildly accurate and hilarious, given the context”.
So I scoured the maps, because I wanted to commend you and also try and be as witty. Hawaii was one of the only (obvious) differences I could find (which makes sense when talking about diabetes and poverty)… but then idk what I did. Just literally gave up on being clever and posted a “spot the difference” comment
So yeah, doesn’t much matter in the grand scheme of things, but I still wanted to let ya know just in case… I thought your comment of the map was surprisingly astute, and I was kinda flabbergasted that it seemed like you just had that on standby. Like you were just waiting for this moment your whole freaking life, and then pulled that very specifically accurate map out of your ass, as soon as it was relevant.
My comment fell flat on it’s face, because it truly couldn’t be topped. And I think I must’ve gotten distracted and gave up on my response, because the only thing I really wanted to convey was… fucking brava my friend. That was some S-tier shit you dropped; and so casually too. It wasn’t necessarily news to me, but hot damn if it wasn’t quick.
My original comment should’ve just been “you win” or some shit like that, but I failed on both ends to get that across
So very much so… holy hell friend bwahahahaha!!! Well fucking done (and pardon my language). But that was the very definition of “under-rated comment” to me. My applause to you
Sugar should be heavily taxed, it’s so dangerous at rates of more than 10 grams a day
It should be taxed on the corporate side. Taxing sugar on the consumer side becomes a poor tax, because poor people will still want sweets from time to time, making those treats now more and more expensive. Well off people will just accept the tax because it’s marginal to them, but when your chocolate bar that you treat yourself to once a week goes from 1.29 to 3.29, then it really fucks your day up.
What should be done is incentives to provide less sugar/glucose-fructose on the product side and encourage companies to make snacks and beverages that have less sugar content.
It doesn’t make a difference which side you tax. If consumers are taxed then corporations will still feel it through reduced demand for their product. If corporations are taxed, consumers will still feel it through increased prices. The tax burden does not depend on who is taxed, but rather how elastic supply and demand are.
It sure makes a difference to the people buying it, that’s the point
It literally doesn’t. The price is the same either way. Reduced demand from the higher tax makes it so producers will lower prices. This is really basic microeconomics.
From Wikipedia: “tax burden does not depend on where the revenue is collected, but on the price elasticity of demand and price elasticity of supply”
Wouldn’t the price go up irrespective of which side you tax it on? Obviously if this is a megacorp, they could spread it out over unrelated products, but in the end its not like theyll roll over, take the corporate tax and leave the product at the old price. Is it being a poor tax even that bad of a thing? This is not a necessity and poor people are generally going to be the ones that suffer from poor diet / lifestyle choices in very big part due to the price/calorie aspect of junkfood et al. Lets be real, if you buy a bar once a week, 1.29->3.29 is not a big deal.
Also, we do have tax on sugarry soft drinks in the EU (atleast my country), it is just laughably small compared to EtOH and tobacco). I personally always have thought that anything with added sugar beyond a certain amount should get a heavy tax, conditional on this tax being funneled into healthcare / public health programs.
Wouldn’t the price go up irrespective of which side you tax it on?
Not necessarily, companies might just stop putting sugar where it doesn’t belong. They do it right now because corn syrup is free and why don’t just put it everywhere.
Their response also irrespective of which party gets taxed because the tax incidence is the same either way.
Maybe we should susidize stevia instead of corn.
Agreed. Though either way the price of heavily sugared stuff would go up
Whoa settle down there
Sucrose is 1:1 glucose/ fructose which is near the optimal 0.8 ratio for fueling endurance activities
I rode 100 miles solo in less than 5 hours Sunday on 360g sucrose in 4 750ml bottles
It’sa lot cheaper than all that fancy SIS/skratch etc
Carbs aren’t poison if you move your body
Yeah I consume near 400g carbs every day and am fine as a competitive powerlifter who also runs (which is rare lol). You just can’t be sitting on your ass all day.
I don’t doubt the number, that means 0.5l soda is 5 times the daily rate!
And when you drink sugar free, your body still crave the sugar.
I recently lost 100lbs partially thanks to Diet Mountain Dew, Mountain Dew Zero, and a world of sugar free energy drinks. I also gained 40 lbs of muscle mass.
Note that I gained much of the weight due to major medical issues which left me bedridden for an extended period of time (years). I don’t have the fastest metabolism in the world, so it took a lot of work to melt the pounds off. I could not have done it without diet soda/energy drinks.
The only reason researchers been able to determine for diet soda not contributing to weight loss/“fat” disease prevention is that (current studies are showing) we (consciously or subconsciously) attempt to replace those missing calories with more sugar, rather than cutting back. While there have been studies on the effects of artificial sweeteners on insulin production, etc. they are mostly inconclusive.
If you are shooting for a low carb/low calorie diet, a good diet soda is a safe choice. Don’t let others make you miserable. Just make sure you aren’t pulling in extra calories elsewhere.
Regardless of what type of diet you follow, remember that weight loss boils down to calories out > calories in. Most of your calories come from carbs, so taking on a more active lifestyle with a high protein/low carb diet will ultimately help you lose weight and build muscle mass. Just don’t skimp on the protein (you want most of your calories to come from protein) because you will also be burning some muscle mass unless you actively try to prevent it. Keep a food journal and write down everything you eat/drink. Some dietary choices you make without realizing may surprise you.
I lost 70 pounds over about four months last year primarily via calorie counting. I know it’s anecdotal, but I absolutely felt hungrier after the same meal if I had a diet soda with it compared to an unsweetened iced tea, or even an iced tea with a sugar packet or two. It’s great that you have the willpower to stick to the rest of your diet regardless, but there is definitely a reason people recommend cutting it out to make it easier to follow a plan.
Now if only i could sallow diet drinks
Have you tried coke zero? I can’t stand diet coke but I like coke zero well enough
Cool thanks for the tip!
Would love to see an updated graph. I feel like everyone gained 50lbs in the last three years.
screw you for getting it right
i hate when i go down south and go to restaurants and order iced tea and get a glass of concentrated sugar water
diabetus by L Ron Hubbard
Well, it’s the gays or atheists. Or “colored” people. Or whoever they are told to hate at that moment. This happens more than you know in this day and age:
Surprised you forgot “people who might be transgender (wE cAn AlWaYs TeLl)”
Of course they can tell, how else are they going to pick their preferred partners to cheat on their wives with.
I’m preemptively not serving gardeners or lawyers just to stay ahead of the curve.
I play tennis and don’t serve against gay people. They make me feel funny with their passionate moaning. /s
😂 😂 🤣
I’m swinging back in the other direction and refusing to serve rednecks and people with navy suits and red ties.
I mean… lawyers are pretty terrible. Case in point: most of Congress are lawyers.
hmm. most of lawyers are not in congress. BUT. most lawyers are not to be trusted.
I’ve lived in the deep south for over 40 years in small towns, and have never witnessed a single instance of any minority being denied service at any establishment.
Has anyone reading this actually ever seen that happen in real life?
This is anecdotal but I have seen this as a gay man living in Ohio. My whole family is from the sticks but I live just outside a major city now. There’s a pizza place back home that my fiance and I can’t go to because they won’t serve him (he is, admittedly, quite fabulous). I can go alone, because I blend in, but him they will just quietly ignore and occasionally glance over to check if he’s gotten the hint yet. No yelling, no epithets, but no service either.
Sad to hear these stories, but I did ask for it. I can’t discount your experience because mine is as anecdotal as yours.
I hope these stories are rare though, and I also hope that anyone who does experience any of these kinds of discrimination will put the businesses “on blast” as the kids say by posting their experiences on social media to give them the stink that they deserve.
Thanks, I didn’t realize it happened either until one day it happened to me. Then it happened again, and again. Not frequent, and not always as tangible as being denied pizza, but little things here and there in the way people look at me and treat me that only started happening after I came out. I have yet to experience any actual violence, but the general vibe is such that I don’t feel comfortable being out and am considering moving to a more friendly state.
I don’t think that’s homophobia as much as rude staff who ignore people who aren’t assertive. I’m not stereotypically gay/flamboyant but get ignored a lot in restaurants and stores because I’m somewhat quiet when I’m alone.
Nope, what Prussia_X86 said sounds very much like homophobia. They won’t serve his flamboyant fiance because he looks and acts “gay”, and if they knew that Prussia_X86 was gay they wouldn’t serve him either. While not all gays are as flamboyant as that his fiance sounds like, plenty are, and while not all flamboyant men aren’t gay (or even attracted to men among other genders), a good chunk are. There’s a reason a lot of people assume that flamboyant men are gay, and it’s because a lot of them are.
Yep. I grew up in the mountains of NC. When I was a kid, the mayor of our town was the head of the local KKK sect. Needless to say, non-white people were generally not found in that town.
Attitudes did change over the following years, so that was nice.
I grew up in FL and was denied service 2 separate times for being mixed race. This occurred in the early 2000s. Both times the restaurants were subtlety segregated and they refused to seat us in either section.
It might be because you aren’t a visible minority that you haven’t witnessed it, you don’t notice it happening because it’s not on your radar that it could happen.
Stay in the cities (50k and up), its the small in-between towns that can get bad. Bigger the better
No thanks, my town has less than 6000 population, and I can easily afford my mortgage on my house that sits on an acre of land. It’s nice being my own landlord, and I can do whatever the fuck I want here.
Are people in your town nice to gay colored atheists? The only small town I’ve been to like that is Provincetown, and it’s not particularly cheap.
Some of them yes, some of them no probably. I don’t know very many people here, because I simply don’t give a fuck about going around meeting people.
I would say there is most likely no business in this town that would turn away any minority, because bigotry is widely recognized as being bad for business. Every store or restaurant that I’ve visited had a diverse clientele.
Lemmy is now getting reposts. We’ve reached critical mass!
I don’t see the point of having reposts here, not like there’s visible karma or anything.
Also, I loved you in that thing!
Reposts aren’t just because of karma whoring. It can be a crosspost or someone saw it and just thought it was funny and wanted to share it to a community they liked.
You may also be one of the first 10,000 today too.
Or simply because not everyone sees every single post and knows it’s a repost…
Do you not know of the internet repost database? It’s a repository of all posts ever made to every website. You’re supposed to go to it every time you want to post something.
It’s over here… In my basement. It also has cookies.
So you’re saying you want me to come over to your basement, eat cookies and browse memes? I’m in.
And if it’s the first time you’ve seen that xkcd link, congratulations, you are one of today’s meta-10000
Very true. Maybe it’s better to say that I don’t think repost are a problem here yet, and I don’t expect it to be due to the lack of visible karma.
This seems like a US thing I’m too European to understand
(aka. they bring us the ingredients, and we make our own tea at the restaurant table)
What’s called sweet tea in the US is overwhelmingly sweet. That was my reaction to it the first time I tried it. It’s so sweet, the only way you can get that much sugar in it is if you dissolve that sugar in hot tea.
The trick is to order half sweet/half unsweet. Otherwise you get Aunt Jemima on ice.
I don’t know if you need to be told this.
Pay the money and buy real maple syrup, not ‘pancake syrup.’ Real maple syrup is one of the best tastes on the planet.
I’m aware of the existence and superiority of maple syrup. I only use Aunt Jemima in this example because that’s what oversweetened tea tastes like to me: shit.
Yeah that is my trick too. Or half sweet tea and half water.
If I order a cup of tea, I don’t want to get a cup of hot water and a tea bag. Bloody continentals.
FUCKIN LIPTON
THAT’S NOT TEA
well it ain’t no PG TIPS but it will make a gallon of oddly flavored water cooked in the sun, which when chilled and enhanced with fresh lemon juice and served over ice, is dope
well it ain’t no PG TIPS but it will make a gallon of oddly flavored water
Almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea.
Listen, you stupid machine. It tastes filthy! Here take this cup back!
[He throws cup at NutriMatic]
NUTRIMATIC DRINK DISPENSER: If you have enjoyed the experience of this drink, why not share it with your friends?
ARTHUR: Because I want to keep them! Will you try and comprehend what I’m telling you? That drink -
NUTRIMATIC DRINK DISPENSER: …that drink was individually tailored to meet your personal requirements for nutrition and pleasure
ARTHUR: Ah! So I’m a masochist on a diet, am I?!
NUTRIMATIC DRINK DISPENSER: Share and enjoy.
ARTHUR: Oh shut up.
Sweet tea is a drink prepared hot but consumed cold. The cold part is best done via refrigeration. Bringing hot water, tea, and sugar are going to achieve the same results.
it’s best not done at all to be honest. Just drink a soda like a regular person.
Some people like the taste of tea over the taste of soda, even if both are equally sickeningly sweet.
Have you ever had southern sweet tea? The flavor is almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea. If you want to drink sugar water and brown coloring why not drink a coke?
Yeah in the US they have this thing called sweet tea (some places have a choice between sweet and unsweetened tea).
To make sweet tea they just unload a tanker truck full of gum syrup into cold tea. That’s what it tastes like to me.
As a server, southerners stare at me in wide eyed awe when I pour a disgusting amount of simple syrup into a glass of iced tea.
What do they think they do at the factory?
They’re not buying tea in jugs, dear.
Factory? Hell nah, we home brew in this household
That’s a trade secret!
simple syrup
Wait, do americans use glucose syrup in kitchen?
It’s just a high concentration of sugar dissolved in water. Not used in food really unless you need to sweeten some cold tea for some southerners, i guess. Very commonly used to make alcoholic mixed drinks though.
I think mainly behind the bar, I don’t know too many folks who cook with it.
“four seasons-having piece of shit” lol I’m going to start discriminating against people based on their seasons.
“Everybody is welcome at my house!.. as long as you’ve experienced snow, that is”
As a person who has never seen snow, I’m feeling very discriminated lmao
It’s worth the trip, I promise. I grew up in Phoenix so I didn’t see it for a long time. It’s nuts. It absorbs sound really well, so after fresh snowfall, everything is so quiet it’s surreal. And then you hear the sound and sensation of walking through it, which is an experience in and of itself.
There is absolutely nothing more amazing than an early morning walk after a fresh snowfall.
The whole world seems better in those few hours before people wake up and ruin it.
Don’t worry, in 50 years, no one will see snow.
Holy shit, everyone’s gonna be blind in 50 years! I’m not discounting Climate Change by any means, but why is nobody talking about this vision change you speak of?
When I moved to L.A. from Indiana, I met people who had never seen snow up close. It was so weird to me.
I moved from Pennsylvania to Louisiana when I was a teenager, and was most bummed about losing out on snow boarding. Now when I’m out traveling, I get to explain how fun (and practical) “hurricane parties” are. Everywhere is strange when you’re a stranger I guess
True, but in the case of L.A. it’s a little weirder because you can see snow if you look at the mountains in the winter and it isn’t a very long trip to get to that snow, so it’s more of a by choice thing.
OK, that is kinda weird to me too. I haven’t been out that way yet, so I forget that there’s mountains right there too. And the more I think about it, the weirder it seems. Why wouldn’t the curiosity or even the novelty drive someone to try and go see what’s kinda right there? Maybe I just think snow is cool and am biased lol
Part of it, I think, is that you get so accustomed to the warm climate that you just hate being cold. When I first moved there, it was in the 60s and I had my windows open and the apartment manager stopped by and was shocked that I had the windows open when it was so cold out. And then within maybe 5 years, I felt the same way. And now I’m back in Indiana and, again, it took a few years, but now I’m back to opening the windows when it’s in the 60s and wearing shorts and a light jacket when it’s in the 50s.
But still, you would think curiosity would be enough to drive you to do it at least one time.
LA traffic kind of makes it a long trip unless you live on the outskirts.
Damn, I knew sugar was bad for you, but boy it looks like it can make you really irritable. Stop drinking so much sugar y’all. It’s nasty.
Also are we going to talk about the fact that I’ve never heard anyone outside of the south pronounce pecan as “pee-can?”
What? Canada pronounces it “pee-can” instead of “peh-cawn”.
Yeah, we follow the pronunciation rules of English. What pronunciation rules does “peh-cawn” follow?
we follow the pronunciation rules of English
Where are those?
I’m not talking about that far North.
✋ I’m not from the south and I pronounce it pee-can along with everyone I know
we really need to get some linguists on Lemmy because i miss communities like r/fauxnetics
this is why they should just teach IPA in schools lol whats the point of these phonetic spellings when the point is that many dialects of english pronounce the same word differently
OP was probably talking about /'pi.cæn/ as in “can of beans” compared to /pɪ’can/ as in “con man”. they altered “pee” even though that part sounds nearly the same! probably because a Pee Can is a funny image.
As a northerner, I’ve never heard pee-can either. I think it’s a straw man for southerners
Sweet tea is trash anyway. Might as well just dump sugar into the water and drink it why even have the tea in it at all
the correct response to somebody trying to order sweet tea in the north is and always has been this quote from 30 rock:
“I’m gonna come back in 5 minutes, if you try to order off menu again I will slap those glasses off your face.”
It’s mostly water?
I don’t have to heat up lemonade to make the sugar dissolve in it; why would tea be different?
Narrator: it’s not different.
It isn’t. If you have to heat the water to get sugar to dissolve in it 1) you have too much sugar and 2) when it cools again the sugar will prwcipitate out. It is easier and quicker to dissolve in hot water tho, so if you’re impatient it may appear that the sugar won’t dissolve in cold water.
That’s OK. I don’t eat 'em.
most areas of the u.s. you gotta pick one, sweet or not sweet. since I rarely if ever add sugar to anything, sweet tea is to me an excuse to drink flavored sugar water. but cheaper than soda and it doesn’t go flat.
so sweet iced tea is a perverse adulteration of a refreshing yet bitter, tasty beverage. i mean, add some lemon fer real. if i’m south of certain landmarks, i know i won’t drink tea unless i make it myself.
Every place in the south will additionally have unsweet for those that will use artificial sweetener. Or those that want half and half (to dilute the sugar content, make half sweet, half unsweet).
It’s only outside of the south that you get a singular choice of unsweet.
