• Uriel238 [all pronouns]@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    18·
    9 hours ago

    I assume by more masculine energy, Zuckerberg means:

    • More posturing by Matt Walsh, Ben Shapiro, Jordan Peterson and Donald Trump, the US exemplars of manhood.
    • Trolls, more trolls, trolls trolling trolls. People fucking with anyone else that makes them uncomfortable.
    • People boasting about how rich they are, how fast their car goes, and how many women they bed. Comparisons. Leaderboards.
    • Doxing. So much doxing.
    • So much AI porn. So much futa AI porn.
    • So much misogyny. All the misogygy. Al Misogyny. Misogyny leaderboards.
    • Tons of hate speech against the targets of the week. Immigrants, trans folk, Jews Arab Muslims, libs (not liberals, neoliberals or left-wingers, libs )

    Essentially Zuck wants Facebook to become 4chan/b… or 4chan/pol, only where everybody knows your name.

    • boonhet@lemm.ee
      8·
      4 hours ago

      Probably. As opposed to what masculine used to mean and should mean:

      • Taking responsibility for your actions

      • Taking leadership if you see nobody else is going to

      • Treating others with respect

      Of course, in modern times, we’ve realized this has nothing to do with masculinity or femininity and rather with one’s role in society. If you want to be respectable, these are just some of the things you should be doing.

    • dx1@lemmy.world
      61·
      7 hours ago

      It already is. It’s a wasteland of boomer MAGA bullshit. And they all hate him anyway.

  • lurklurk@lemmy.world
    52·
    13 hours ago

    Every time I think Zuck is as pathetic as someone can be, he finds a new depth to sink to. Truly an innovator

    • yonder@sh.itjust.works
      10·
      10 hours ago

      Steering the helm of a massive advertising company that misleads and manipulates users does not seem masculine to me.

    • return2ozma@lemmy.world
      20·
      13 hours ago

      He seems like the type that ever since he was a kid would full on cry and make everything miserable for everyone until they just gave him his way to shut him up.

    • captainlezbian@lemmy.world
      8·
      11 hours ago

      Yeah, a tom of Finland character he certainly is not. Like he’s definitely masculine, but more masculine [pejorative] in the vein of a man having a midlife crisis and deciding to get into a sad pantomime of youthful masculinity. He definitely doesn’t seem the type to do hard labor to provide for his loved ones or to spend his evenings in a shed tinkering on his projects. His masculinity is not the presence of the traits our society positively associates with men and masculinity or of those that those who are attracted to masculinity find attractive or endearing, but merely a starker absence of the positive traits associated with femininity or neutrality and an absence of the negative traits of femininity.

  • BeMoreCareful@lemmy.worldEnglish
    70·
    15 hours ago

    I like the thought of masculine and feminine energies wafting around like medieval miasmas.

    This guy is smart.

  • kibiz0r@midwest.socialEnglish
    1405·
    16 hours ago

    He’s right about one thing: There is a serious lack of actual masculinity among our leaders.

    Most public figures who try to present some form of “masculinity” are just desperate and petty, willing to sacrifice nothing to earn their status, and eager to degrade others to look better by comparison.

    A real man produces more than he needs, but takes only that much and ensures the rest goes to those who are less able to sustain themselves. They protect the defenseless, elevate those who are ignored, and invest in a future they won’t personally live to enjoy.

    Show me a real man among you. It’s not femininity keeping you from finding one. It’s your own greed and hubris.

    • untorquer@lemmy.world
      44·
      14 hours ago

      Real men are also able to access their emotions, express their needs(both emotional and physical), develop and share empathy, and nurture deep relationships within their community.

      Though i would argue none of what either of us said has to do with gender.

      Relentlessly locking your own humanity away behind a strong man facade built on shame is one of the biggest reason these fuckers become so hateful and make “manliness” seem like such a putrid prospect.

    • Dozzi92@lemmy.world
      65·
      16 hours ago

      When I was in the military, the best Marines weren’t the ones who could lift the most or run the fastest (though sometimes they did), they were the ones who stayed up late writing up their junior Marines for awards, the ones who skipped their own lunch to teach their squad or platoon how to perform better, and just generally the ones who went out of their own way to improve everyone else’s well-being around them, and all the while keeping their mouth shut up how much they were doing for everyone else.

        • Dozzi92@lemmy.world
          4·
          9 hours ago

          Kaladin is a G. Currently on Oathbringer. I enjoy a good fantasy series, just hate when I run out of books.

      • InternetCitizen2@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        10 hours ago

        The whole master-apprentice thing is not really found in America anymore. It is lowkey there in academia, but there is so much admin work that even good PIs struggle. I have not really seen it in my little private industry experience. And I have no public experience to comment.

        • PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world
          3·
          9 hours ago

          It does exist in some trades still but that’s also becoming more rare. My father was a farmer and he was always willing to be a mentor to guys he knew who wanted to get into that industry and was willing to help out his neighbor farmers if they needed help. When he died about 10 years ago, all the local farmers came out to help and they helped my family harvest his last crop at no charge to us. Wish that was the way it was in other private sector industries.

      • MutilationWave@lemmy.world
        1·
        9 hours ago

        It’s ok. It’s going to suck. Real men and women could provide for you. Not that you’re not a real woman/man, but in context.

    • Lemminary@lemmy.world
      6·
      13 hours ago

      A real man produces more than he needs

      And I’m an imaginary man producing just what I need. 👻

    • ThomasCrappersGhost@feddit.ukEnglish
      8·
      14 hours ago

      There is a serious lack actual masculinity among our leaders.

      The problem is many people hear these words and instantly jump to toxic masculinity. Which you’re obviously not advocating for, but neither of us are “many people”.

    • tmyakal@lemm.ee
      131·
      16 hours ago

      Either this comment is also misogynistic as all hell, or my mother was very masculine.

      • kibiz0r@midwest.socialEnglish
        262·
        15 hours ago

        Masculinity isn’t just for men. Just like femininity isn’t just for women. A healthy person has a mix of these qualities, along with many others that we don’t tend to align with a specific gender.

        When I say “a real man”, I don’t mean it as an objective assessment to stick a person neatly into one of two piles. That’s not how gender works, and it’s not how being a person in general works.

        What I mean is that if you’re indulging in behavior like belittling other people for fun or “cool points”, or using your power or physical strength to get what you want, and calling that “being a man”, then your idea of manhood is a mirage. If you want to aspire to something based on your male gender identity, aspire to humility, vigilance, and service to others. Those are great qualities that anyone can have, but they’re especially important for men if we’re gonna have a respectful and productive society.

        (Edit: I didn’t downvote you btw. I thought your comment was pretty reasonable and mild. But I did wanna take the opportunity to elaborate, because this topic can be complex and emotionally charged. We all have a lot of baggage when it comes to gender, and it’s hard on the internet to develop rapport with each other.)

        • eestileib@sh.itjust.works
          104·
          14 hours ago

          It is still misogynistic to say that women who manifest those behaviors are particularly masculine. Those are adult human behaviors.

    • xor@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      81·
      14 hours ago

      there’s no such thing as a “real man”… it’s all just roles society has placed upon different genders….

  • ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.netOP
    2643·
    20 hours ago

    Had a ex-friend who went real hard last year about feeling his masculinity has been challenged. Went deep into the manosphere language. He was extra annoying. Every convo was about how he, a white man in America, was being repressed. He started labelling random shit as masculine/feminine. Got sick this and stopped inviting him.

    A few months later, I learned the divorce was finalized and he’s been sending me invites to hang with him in his bachelor pad. Nah dog you suck now.

    • The Quuuuuill@slrpnk.netEnglish
      1542·
      20 hours ago

      yeah and i bet that shit was the reason for the divorce. i got a friend who lost her husband down the right wing rabbithole and now she’s processing the grief of losing someone she loved to something so goddamn stupid

      • coyootje@lemmy.world
        70·
        19 hours ago

        This could have been me. For the longest time I was watching right wing YT channels without really realizing it because they were hiding their messaging well under legitimate critique of the movies and shows I was no longer enjoying. My girlfriend and I got into multiple arguments over this and I could tell that this was something we’d never agree on, which makes sense of course. Eventually I managed to pull myself out by unsubscribing from these channels ocne the messaging became a lot more clear (around 2021, you can probably guess why) and since then things have been much better between us and in general.

        • Lumelore (She/her)@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
          21·
          16 hours ago

          I’m proud of you for realizing something was off and correcting course. I know how easy it is to get sucked into that garbo. I got sucked in myself when I was a young teen. I genuinely don’t remember how I pulled myself out of it, but I’m glad I did because I’m positive my life would be miserable if I hadn’t.

        • TheNamlessGuy@lemmy.world
          7·
          13 hours ago

          Maybe a weird thing to ask, but could you provide an example video/channel? I find these kinds of things very fascinating.

          • coyootje@lemmy.world
            31·
            17 hours ago

            Yeah it’s honestly insane how much of it there is. Even channels that appear to be completely innocent at first can suddenly start veering in this direction. I remember watching someone like CinnamonToastKen when I was younger and it always used to be very generic fun for everyone content. But the last few years I started catching on to him saying more and more right leaning, conspiracy theory type stuff.

            He made comments about the US (where he no longer even lives) keeps giving money to Ukraine instead of fixing their own problems, the “stolen election” and of course about Trump winning again. I really don’t understand why you have to make statements like that, you (on average) alienate about half of your audience by saying stuff like that. But oh well, a quick unsub and moving on.

      • Encrypt-Keeper@lemmy.worldEnglish
        32·
        18 hours ago

        It’s also very likely the divorce was the reason for the behavior. Getting lost in the sauce of that nonsense is a tragic but not unreasonable reaction to the trauma of divorce, or just being hurt by a woman. That ideology and the people who make money from it prey on weak, lost men for a reason. Thats what its designed to do.

      • parrhesia@sh.itjust.works
        6·
        13 hours ago

        I bet that is really fucked up because you might spend a long, long time trying to convince yourself that he would change back or just be less of an asshole. That’s a special sort of grief where they are still living but you’re mourning who they used to be.

      • NielsBohron@lemmy.worldEnglish
        15·
        19 hours ago

        You could be mixing up correlation and causation. The divorce could have happened for any number of reasons and the ensuing loneliness and alienation could have been what led the husband to seek validation in manosphere bullshit

        • The Quuuuuill@slrpnk.netEnglish
          5·
          17 hours ago

          you may be right in this specific case. when i said “i bet” i was taking a gamble. i based my gamble based on the sequencing of events i watched my friend go through. i’m sure you’re right that it’s played out the opposite direction, and that even for my friend her husband becoming authoritarian leadind to their divorce made her husband even more entrenched in that mindset.

    • Riskable@programming.devEnglish
      531·
      19 hours ago

      He started labelling random shit as masculine/feminine.

      FYI: This is totally normal in France.

          • FanBlade@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
            2·
            13 hours ago

            I’m whooshing pretty hard because I still don’t understand what the joke is, but I’ll just assume that’s on me :)

            Thanks for trying to help me understand!

            • ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.oneEnglish
              7·
              11 hours ago

              French version of the article “the” changes if the noun is either feminine or masculine. Every noun in French is assigned to be masculine or feminine.

              For example:

              The book “le livre” would be masculine. The bookstore “la librairie” would be feminine

              • FanBlade@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
                3·
                10 hours ago

                I do understand that, it just seems like bringing up a random fact that has no bearing on the actual discussion and seems like it’s missing some additional context to actually be funny.

                But, again, totally accepting that I’m the one it’s just not clicking with :)

                Thanks for trying though, my skull must just be too thick!

    • miss_demeanour@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      34·
      20 hours ago

      had ex-friend

      B-b-but ToLeRaNcE!!!

      Similar situation here (there is more than one situation, ofc), but wifey’s along for the ride too, and not in a trad wife way (they’re late 60s in age). Left them out of the pals’ xmas dinner because it’s become unbearable for everyone else.

      It’s no fun losing decades-long relationships over whatever “this” is that’s happening.

      • wise_pancake@lemmy.ca
        22·
        19 hours ago

        You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink.

        What’s weird about this broader “conversation” on masculinity is I feel more masculine than ever, despite not giving a flying fuck about any of this.

        I never really struggled with it except as a teen, but the older I get the less I care.

        —

        I still say we made a mistake with communicating to men about feminism. We kind of left people who are terrible like Andrew Tate to dominate the conversation when people shut down men’s rights groups as de facto misogynistic, and now here we are.

        • hank_the_tank66@lemmy.world
          14·
          19 hours ago

          What’s weird about this broader “conversation” on masculinity is I feel more masculine than ever

          Same. The more I read stupid quotes from the Tates and Musk’s of the world, the more I feel like I’m doing something right with how I’m living my life, raising my kiddo, and engaging with my community.

          Between that and a wider understanding/acceptance of neurodivergence, I’m feeling pretty comfortable in my own skin for the first time in a long time. And I’m ready to fight for women, minorities, and the LGBTQ+ communities to feel the same way.

    • RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world
      36·
      16 hours ago

      It’s crazy that they could lose 90% of everything and still have more than 99.999% of the population of the planet, yet they keep fighting to make sure they have more and more and even more.

      • spireghostEnglish
        7·
        12 hours ago

        I think the mistake here is thinking it’s about “things” or material objects. Most people interface with money at a basic level: you can buy a new jacket, reliable car, a sizeable home, etc. However, at the level that you are with these billionaires, it’s no longer about having things or owning things. It’s about having more power to do things.

        For example, there’s are some fun little calculators where you can calculate all the things that some could spend their money on https://neal.fun/spend/ https://www.spend-elon-fortune.com/

        At this point it’s an imperialist kind of mindset, where you want to own multiple corporations, properties, and show it off to your wealthy colleagues that you are the best at X. It’s probably not unlike how professional athletes will destroy their bodies with steroids to become the best in the world, just the negatives are externalized.

  • Please_Do_Not@lemm.ee
    151·
    19 hours ago

    I feel like tech and finance bros turn to the right because bad guys who think they’re good get tired of being told by educated people that they are objectively bad guys. And instead of changing, they end up seeking spaces that will reward them for being bad guys and will allow them to ignore or disparage those offering valid criticism.

  • TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world
    182·
    14 hours ago

    I am speculating that all the ridiculing and questioning Mark Zuckerberg’s masculinity over the years made him so insecure that he turned to the manosphere. We only have ourselves to blame.