• GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml
    352·
    10 hours ago

    Completely wild to shit on soy milk in coffee.

    Like, if you’re trying to be toxic about your coffee, how do you even justify diluting the coffee with milk in the first place? Can’t even do toxicity properly, get real

  • 2ugly2live@lemmy.world
    311·
    12 hours ago

    I didn’t realize I was lactose intolerant for the longest time. I just assumed everyone had some food that gave them the booboos and it was just the price of living. I thought intolerance was synonymous with allergy, and since it didn’t kill me, I just assumed I didn’t have it.

    How I found out:

    Me: I sure do love ice cream. Sucks that it makes me stomach hurt.

    Friend: So you’re lactose intolerant?

    Me: Oh, no, no. Ice cream and milk have just always messed up my stomach.

    Friend:

    Me:

    Friend: That’s what lactose intolerance is.

    • socsa@piefed.socialEnglish
      16·
      10 hours ago

      A ton of adults legitimately don’t know that most people develop some degree of lactose intolerance as they age. They think lactose intolerance is like a rare disorder rather than the norm for mammals. It feels like the kind of thing they should have taught us in health class.

      “Around your mid 20s you should pay attention to if milk makes you fart a lot.”

    • UndergroundGoblin@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      8·
      9 hours ago

      Same with my younger brother. He once told me that he has diarrhea least one time a day. He tought that this is a completely normal thing and is not willing to change anything. He would rather shit his pants than give up milk.

      • 2ugly2live@lemmy.world
        3·
        6 hours ago

        I thought everyone was dealing with it. Like, mine happens to be ice cream, someone else gets mudbutt from chicken wings or something. But we keep going because flavor demands sacrifice.

        Turns out that was not the case. 🙃

  • hperrin@lemmy.caEnglish
    139·
    16 hours ago

    I’m allergic to milk. Trying to explain that to people sometimes goes like this:

    “I’m allergic to milk.”

    “You mean you’re lactose intolerant?”

    “No, I’m allergic to milk. I can digest it just fine.”

    “What do you mean?”

    “Milk. I’m allergic to it.”

    “What happens when you drink it?”

    “My throat starts to swell up and get itchy. It’s hard to breathe for a while.”

    “OOOOOH. You’re allergic to milk.”

    “Yeah.”

  • peregrin5@lemm.eeEnglish
    883·
    16 hours ago

    The boomer crusade against alternative milks is one of the weirder forms of toxic masculinity and smacks of subservience to and brainwashing by the milk lobby.

      • rumschlumpel@feddit.org
        18·
        15 hours ago

        Here in Germany they did succeed with it. Oat milk has to be called something like “Hafer-Drink” (note the anglicism) (literally “oat drink”).

        • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de
          24·
          14 hours ago

          Yeah, but tbh, it kinda makes sense. You can’t print something on the packaging that says something that’s not the case. You can’t call it “oat milk”, because otherwise people should rightfully assume it was milk with some oat in it.

          • CethinEnglish
            11·
            9 hours ago

            Historically, milk has been used to refer to any liquid with a milky white color. This can be crushed up plants or other things. Milk of magnesia, for example. It is a very old use of the term and changing it to only refer to milk from an animal is more inacurate than letting it refer to these substances. Don’t let the milk industry BS lead you to a false conclusion. Question what you’re told.

            Animal milk can call itself dairy if it wants to be specific. That’s the word for animal milk only.

            • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de
              5·
              9 hours ago

              Ok i see, yeah, now that you mention it, we have “Löwenzahnmilch” (dandelion milk) in german, which refers to this:

              But also, “dairy” doesn’t work so well in other languages. I can’t think of a german translation.

              • CethinEnglish
                1·
                30 minutes ago

                Fair enough about the German thing. I was specifically speaking about English, since it was about the US Congress trying to regulate the word. There may be a better argument for German, but it sounds like it’s the same issue. From a quick search online, tierische Milch seems like the choice.

          • Genius
            3·
            8 hours ago

            It is milk with some oat in it. The milk part of the oat. That’s exactly what it is.

            You mean people might think it’s breast milk with some oat in it.

            Rather than legislating plant milk, I suggest we legislate breast milk so that it legally has to have the word breast on the packaging.

          • rumschlumpel@feddit.org
            18·
            14 hours ago

            No, that wouldn’t be “rightful”. It’s common knowledge that soy milk, oat milk, coconut milk and scouring cream (Scheuermilch in German) don’t contain cow milk. And it was never an issue when coconut milk was the only alternative milk-like product that was widely available.

          • iusearchbtw@lemm.ee
            101·
            14 hours ago

            Imagine calling a non dairy liquid “milk” prior to ten years ago, not conceivable

            Coconut milk, milk of magnesium, soy milk? Made up woke nonsense

    • JackGreenEarth@lemm.eeEnglish
      42·
      15 hours ago

      I mostly agree with you, but it’s not great to generalise about an entire generation some negative aspect of people that applies to many people, regardless of age.

  • MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml
    3·
    9 hours ago

    Btw, is there a evolutionary cost to creating lactase? Because, why do we stop with it usually and only keep it if it has huge advantages?

    • Rob Bos@lemmy.caEnglish
      8·
      9 hours ago

      I would guess that humans have been around for what, 250k years? And that the vast majority of that didn’t involve a whole lot of milk after age 4.

      So it wouldn’t have been to much advantage to be able to metabolize lactose.

      • telllos@lemmy.world
        4·
        13 hours ago

        It depends on the brands I guess. but if you drink it like that and with coffee, its not amazing.

        But mixed with cereals, cocoa it’s really good.

        There a brand in France that makes a vegetal milk with, macadamia, hazelnut, and almond. It’s truly delicious.

        I’ve started drinking milk alternative because I would get belly ache when drinking cold milk. And I saw the episode on kurzgesagt about milk. Where they say it’s better for the environment.

        In the end I’m still eating regular dary like cheese and yogurt.

      • BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee
        4·
        14 hours ago

        I get that, some brands don’t taste good at all. Weirdly enough, I really like the great value stuff. Planet oat or whatever’s decent too

    • MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml
      1·
      9 hours ago

      Well, at least ecologically, because oat grows everywhere. Btw, coffee has a really bad footprint too.

    • Badabinski@kbin.earth
      71·
      15 hours ago

      Oat milk is good, but I can’t figure out how to make it foam up really nicely like cow’s milk when making a latte ): that’s about the only time I drink milk nowadays, so the lactaid is right next to the machine.

      • BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee
        7·
        14 hours ago

        Get an “extra creamy” oat milk. Some brands even make a barista blend. The extra fat helps to form a fine and stable foam

    • NeatoBuilds@lemmy.todayEnglish
      56·
      16 hours ago

      I also enjoy the occasional oatmilk latte but recently was reading something about how oats have all sorts of pesticides that can make their way into the milk

      • kbotc@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        9 hours ago

        Is there an agricultural product that you eat that does not contain pesticides in some quantity?

        • NeatoBuilds@lemmy.todayEnglish
          1·
          7 hours ago

          Probably not but something like oatmilk could be consumed daily which i guess is where the problem comes in

          • kbotc@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            6 hours ago

            As compared to onions, garlic, potatoes, bread, cereals, or fruit? I’d put adding 4 oz of oatmilk pretty low on our pesticide exposure list.

            Shoot, you should look up how American garlic’s been produced for the past few decades. It’s really disturbing and likely introducing pharmaceuticals back into human foods.

    • spicy pancakeEnglish
      2·
      7 hours ago

      me taking points out of constitution to distribute amongst my other attributes:

  • datendefekt@feddit.org
    161·
    17 hours ago

    Do you want to hear the story about how I figured out how I had lactose intolerance after eating 3 helpings of an ice cream dessert with extra whipped cream?

      • datendefekt@feddit.org
        21·
        16 hours ago

        It involved farting all the way home. Like a puff escaping with every step walking a few blocks home. I was so damn glad to be walking late at night. And I just felt miserable with my bubbly, knotty guts the whole night and the next day.

        Seriously, I love ice cream and eat as much as I can get my hands on - but nothing in the world would make we want to go through that again. So happy for lactase tablets and vegan options.

        • dohpaz42@lemmy.worldEnglish
          8·
          16 hours ago

          For that I envy you lactose intolerant folk. My celiac’s disease has me violently (and painfully) vomiting if I eat any gluten. 🤮

        • TimLovesTech (AuDHD)(he/him)@badatbeing.socialEnglish
          4·
          16 hours ago

          I was much slower to come to such a conclusion. Mine was yogurt parfait I would eat as a nighttime snack believing I was making a healthy choice. The next day (or sometimes before bed or during the night depending on when I ate it) I would have stomach aches, be gassy and/or bloated and just not my best. It wasn’t till another family member talked about being lactose intolerant and my eating my yogurt snack for say, lunch on my day off, that I put it all together.

          It was just weird because it’s really only milk/yogurt/ice cream (cheese is usually fine) that effect me most - and I went like 20+ yrs eating dairy just fine. And yes lactase tablets are amazing.

    • Lupus@feddit.org
      3·
      16 hours ago

      Been there, done that, would still eat a whole cheesecake in one sitting. Only slight regrets.

    • Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee
      52·
      17 hours ago

      But black coffee and espresso are two completely different things. Are you suggesting instead they get an Americano?

      • rumschlumpel@feddit.org
        4·
        15 hours ago

        No, you can easily take espresso-based beverages “black”, too. Or rather, you can easily make them not-black by adding milk, which is pretty common for americanos.

        • Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee
          2·
          10 hours ago

          Sure, but then you’re taking it in small cup form rather than as a larger volume drink. That still makes them two very different things.

          If I want a nice, large margarita, telling me I can have a couple shots of tequila misses the point. Nothing against tequila, but a mixed drink and a shot are different enough that one is not a substitute for another.

          Same with espresso. Americano is much closer in form factor to a latte than straight espresso. And more to my post’s point, most times when people say black coffee they mean drip.

      • teslasaur@lemmy.world
        3·
        14 hours ago

        Filter coffee. Only way to have it.

        I’ll go as far as Turkish coffee, but Americano doesn’t taste good at all.

    • baguettefish@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
      20·
      16 hours ago

      in one episode of the culture war the right wing focused on soy as leftist and woke and disgusting because it contains phytoestrogens, which are very unhelpfully named and don’t actually function like human estrogen but they love to pretend they do. there’s also vague bigotry because wow soy is sooo different and different is bad. there’s also the fetishization of history and white men’s culture of drinking cow milk, and if you are lactose intolerant they probably also expect you to just deal with the pain and the shits because a real man must always experience pain or whatever.

      • faythofdragons@slrpnk.netEnglish
        1·
        4 hours ago

        Soy aggravates my IBS, and I am forever getting people looking at me funny because avoiding soy has become a right-wing talking point. I hate it so much.

      • rumschlumpel@feddit.org
        13·
        15 hours ago

        IMO the real issue with alternative milks is that they’re popular with left-leaning people, because of concerns about the environment or animal welfare. And rightwingers hate everything that might make the world a better place and/or is popular with left-leaning people.

        • peregrin5@lemm.eeEnglish
          11·
          16 hours ago

          I don’t understand why people are so surprised right-wingers don’t have rational consistency to their thought processes. Have none of you been paying attention to them for the last 3-5 decades?

          Nothing they do is surprising based on their historical words and actions but people still be out there voting Republican (or not voting Democrat in every election) because “they can’t be that bad!”

          • Tehdastehdas@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            19 minutes ago

            You’d think their natural human reason would emerge every once in a while, but no, they have developed a memeplex to keep it suppressed. “Hypocrisy is their secret handshake” helps me remember that they practice dishonesty and irrationality diligently.